#345754 - 2010-03-19 13:59:24
Re: What is meant by ...
[Re: Musicman1228]
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But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. (Matt. 24:36) This proves Ellen White is wrong in regards to Noah?
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#345863 - 2010-03-19 20:51:01
Re: What is meant by ...
[Re: pnattmbtc]
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I didn't mean for you to stop at verse 36. Here is the whole quote:
“But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. As were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matt 24:36-39.
If Jesus is correct, and we know He is because He is God and cannot lie, then those living at the time of the flood DID NOT KNOW that their destruction was coming upon them. This can mean only one thing; Noah did not warn anyone that a flood was coming, he merely built the ark according to the specifications laid out by God, and when the time came got on board with His family and the animals God brought. EGW clearly says that Noah preached 120 years. Only one of these people can be right. You choose.
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#345879 - 2010-03-19 21:33:14
Re: What is meant by ...
[Re: Musicman1228]
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How lame can you get MM? Are you going to tell me, that in all seriousness, you can't see how both of these can be true? They didn't know because they thought Noah was crazy, and nobody believed him. It doesn't mean he didn't try to tell them.
You get just a little further out there everyday don't you? Like a ship tossed on the waves, without a compass or an anchor.
God showed the prophet your kind a hundred years ago.
Point after point was established by the Lord God of heaven. That which was truth then, is truth today. But the voices do not cease to be heard--"This is truth. I have new light." But these new lights in prophetic lines are manifest in misapplying the Word and setting the people of God adrift without an anchor to hold them. 2SM 104
It is true that there are prophecies yet to be fulfilled. But very erroneous work has been done again and again, and will continue to be done by those who seek to find new light in the prophecies, and who begin by turning away from the light that God has already given. The messages of Revelation 14 are those by which the world is to be tested; they are the everlasting gospel and are to be sounded everywhere.—Manuscript 32, 1896 (Manuscript Releases, vol. 17, pp. 12-15).
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#345947 - 2010-03-19 23:17:05
Re: What is meant by ...
[Re: RLH]
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Genesis 6:14,18 "Make for yourself an ark of gopher wood ; you shall make the ark with rooms, and shall cover it inside and out with pitch. "But I will establish My covenant with you; and you shall enter the ark -you and your sons and your wife, and your sons' wives with you.
Richard I challenge you to show me anywhere in Genesis where God tells Noah to preach and warn the inhabitants of earth. God makes it very clear that the reason He is destroying the whole earth with a flood is because the whole earth has passed the point of redemption. Preaching to the lost in Noah's day would be like warning those in the second resurrection that they need to change their ways or they will die the second death. Judgment had already been decided against mankind, and that judgment was death by drowning. Noah was the only one who was not guilty of death, therefore God told him to build a boat so he would not drown with the unrighteous. This is the same condition that the great city Babylon is in when God says "come out of her my people". It was the same condition that Sodom and the cities of the plan were in when God told Lot and his family to leave or be killed with the rest of the inhabitants of Sodom.
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#345956 - 2010-03-19 23:53:07
Re: What is meant by ...
[Re: wayfinder]
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It can't be stated any better than that, wayfinder. Don't expect Richard to agree with you on anything, however. Remember, he is a qualified Adventist that knows the whole truth because the church has said so, and whatever the church says MUST be true. If he goes away from the 'light' that comes from the church he feels that he will be lost forever. It is unfortunate that there are many like Richard in the church that will never see new light because they are so focused on light that is flickering and about to go out.
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#345960 - 2010-03-19 23:59:22
Re: What is meant by ...
[Re: Musicman1228]
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Musicman, I have not given up on Richard and will not give up, I think that he will see the light at the proper time, he is a good person.
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#345968 - 2010-03-20 00:35:53
Re: What is meant by ...
[Re: Musicman1228]
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Learning to take it to Jesus
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I didn't mean for you to stop at verse 36. Here is the whole quote:
“But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. As were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matt 24:36-39.
If Jesus is correct, and we know He is because He is God and cannot lie, then those living at the time of the flood DID NOT KNOW that their destruction was coming upon them. This can mean only one thing; Noah did not warn anyone that a flood was coming, he merely built the ark according to the specifications laid out by God, and when the time came got on board with His family and the animals God brought. EGW clearly says that Noah preached 120 years. Only one of these people can be right. You choose. Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
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#345969 - 2010-03-20 00:42:39
Re: What is meant by ...
[Re: RLH]
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Registered: 2005-03-03
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Quote from Richard I don't know where you get all this inter-galactic, space lingo. It doesn't come from the Bible or Ellen White. I've not seen anywhere in the book of Revelation where it refers to Babylon as a starship, or as coming from outer space, at all. I'm curious as to where you get the idea. Just because the angel said it will be thrown down with violence, doesn't mean that it came from outer space.
Babylon is a religous [sic] system right here on planet earth, not a starship from outer space.
DA 420 or 421 ...suddenly, the heavens open, the golden gates of the city of God are thrown wide, and holy radiance descends upon the mount enshrouding the Savior’s form. The above quote indicates to me that Jesus and three of his disciples encountered a city from space. Or maybe the city appeared from a different dimension, however many of those there are. On the other hand, perhaps the brilliant object in the sky that the disciples were so afraid of was really a religion, and the spotlight and the voice of the LORD were just an imaginary epiphany.
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#345975 - 2010-03-20 01:13:24
Re: What is meant by ...
[Re: teresaq(sda)]
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"1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."
Here I see another great piece of evidence to show that the disciple Peter did not write 1st and 2nd Peter.
But it too does not say that Noah preached.
Richard, since you said that 'both' could be true, then why complain when some of us see the truth where Noah did not preach and where EGW was seriously mistaken--just as mistaken as she was in the 'shut door vision' and on page 433 of the GC?
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