#343895 - 2010-03-13 06:52:50
Re: Earthquakes and 'end times'
[Re: Lineman]
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OK, rather than totally remove my earthquake timeline I just updated what was talked about there because some people still see this as being a sign of Christ's soon coming even if it is not. Maybe this way I can help both "sides" understand that our salvation is not in knowing that Jesus is coming soon, but in personally knowing the One who is coming. It's our relationship with Jesus that matters most. Just knowing that He is coming soon does not save any of us.  I want to be a friend of Jesus. Major Earthquake Timeline Thanks for your help everyone. I don't feel as if I am lying any more.
Edited by Lineman (2010-03-13 07:00:32)
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#343902 - 2010-03-13 08:00:31
Re: Earthquakes and 'end times'
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I'm disappointed to see Karl and Bob misunderstanding. I, for one, understand that we are very much in the "end of time" and that VERY soon Jesus will come. (I think my website shows that very well.) There are many signs that Jesus gave us in Matthew 24 that prove that.
I just happen to be questioning whether or not earthquakes are one of the signs we are to be watching. So far I only see people here making fun of those who have questions and am not seeing real answers.
Is Jesus telling us that earthquakes are one of the signs of His coming, or not? If not, why is this discussion even going on?
The Spirit of God is being withdrawn. Disasters by sea and by land follow one another in quick succession. How frequently we hear of earthquakes and tornadoes, of destruction by fire and flood, with great loss of life and property! Apparently these calamities are capricious outbreaks of disorganized, unregulated forces of nature, wholly beyond the control of man; but in them all, God's purpose may be read. They are among the agencies by which He seeks to arouse men and women to a sense of their danger.--Prophets and Kings, p. 277. {ChS 52.3} Another sign - mentioned by John but not listed in Matt 24 is the sign of the antichrists. Those who oppose Christ - not necessarily those claiming to BE Christ. Maranatha 220http://egwdatabase.whiteestate.org/nxt/g...hapter02774.htmChap. 212 - High Time to Awake!And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. Rom. 13:11, 12. The great controversy is nearing its end. Every report of calamity by sea or land is a testimony to the fact that the end of all things is at hand. Wars and rumors of wars declare it. Is there a Christian whose pulse does not beat with quickened action as he anticipates the great events opening before us? The Lord is coming. We hear the footsteps of an approaching God. {Mar 220.1} Living in the deadliest 10 year window (in terms of earthquakes alone) certainly qualifies as an "every calamity". in Christ, Bob
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#343914 - 2010-03-13 08:55:05
Re: Earthquakes and 'end times'
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......and where is the Good News that is to be preached to all the world?
To a thinking public, what is good about the end of all things that we know?
....Is the Good News (aka Gospel) REALLY good news or is it something that eases your fears?
...I think we all agree that disasters (earthquakes) are a means to really shake a person back to God or at least alert her/him of his/her condition between her/him and God. The question is, in the chronology of life, is not so much as "Where is God?" but if God ever was present in the life?
Edited by Neil D (2010-03-13 08:56:07)
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#343927 - 2010-03-13 11:40:08
Re: Earthquakes and 'end times'
[Re: Lineman]
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Aren't we "doomsday deceivers" when we say that earthquakes are one of the signs of His coming when He PLAINLY says that they are just "routine history"?
I think I'm going to totally remove the Earthquake Timeline from my website right now. I certainly want people to KNOW that Jesus is coming very soon, but I no longer want to be a doomsday deceiver, trying to use something that looks like a sign, but in reality is NOT a sign of His coming.
Do we want people to see that Jesus is coming soon? Absolutely, but using "lies" to deceive people of this fact is counter productive it seems, nor is it Christ-like. Lineman. You are to be commended. Not many are able to see the errors they make and then take steps to make things right. Well done. Yes, I agree that they are lies and counter productive and need to be removed . Good Job. 
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#343956 - 2010-03-13 13:41:40
Re: Earthquakes and 'end times'
[Re: Neil D]
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I'm disappointed to see Karl and Bob misunderstanding. I, for one, understand that we are very much in the "end of time" and that VERY soon Jesus will come. (I think my website shows that very well.) There are many signs that Jesus gave us in Matthew 24 that prove that.
I just happen to be questioning whether or not earthquakes are one of the signs we are to be watching. So far I only see people here making fun of those who have questions and am not seeing real answers.
Is Jesus telling us that earthquakes are one of the signs of His coming, or not? If not, why is this discussion even going on?
Hence the answer regarding "every calamity" as a sign in these last days. ......and where is the Good News that is to be preached to all the world?
That is "yet another question" - both questions are valid. Both have to be answered.
To a thinking public, what is good about the end of all things that we know?
....Is the Good News (aka Gospel) REALLY good news or is it something that eases your fears?
...I think we all agree that disasters (earthquakes) are a means to really shake a person back to God or at least alert her/him of his/her condition between her/him and God. The question is, in the chronology of life, is not so much as "Where is God?" but if God ever was present in the life?
Indeed it is "good news" that God does not simply "show up" and then everyone place their cards on the table. The reason he sends signs and warnings is that "God is not willing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance". in Christ, Bob
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#343968 - 2010-03-13 13:50:21
Re: Earthquakes and 'end times'
[Re: Lineman]
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OK, rather than totally remove my earthquake timeline I just updated what was talked about there because some people still see this as being a sign of Christ's soon coming even if it is not. Maybe this way I can help both "sides" understand that our salvation is not in knowing that Jesus is coming soon, but in personally knowing the One who is coming. It's our relationship with Jesus that matters most. Just knowing that He is coming soon does not save any of us. I want to be a friend of Jesus. Major Earthquake Timeline Thanks for your help everyone. I don't feel as if I am lying any more. Peter said that he "considered it right to stir you up by way of reminder" in 2 Pet 1. Then in 2Pet 3 he gives the 2nd coming presentation once again. John says the signs of the times tell us that we are "in the last hour". The Bible writers set an urgent expectation for the soon return of Christ. So also do the messages God gave Ellen White. in Christ, Bob
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#343985 - 2010-03-13 14:45:06
Re: Earthquakes and 'end times'
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I do agree that there are many crying wolf to often and that desensetise's (sp) us or many to finally say that's enough, and than they will be caught sleeping when the end finally comes. Its almost like people crying up a storm over global warming, and now they are down playing it. Now don't get me wrong about global warming or climate change or whatever we call it. The point I think is not to cry wolf to many times before people start thinking any saying, this is all poppy [censored], I'm not gonna listen anymore.
Or like people bashing others over the head with EGW, now many question her as a Prophet because of that. (In my opinion)
pk
Edited by pkrause (2010-03-13 16:36:15)
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#343991 - 2010-03-13 14:55:02
Re: Earthquakes and 'end times'
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The point I think is not to dry wolf This time ... I agree with pk. I suspect it would be dangerous to try to dry wolves.
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#344039 - 2010-03-13 16:37:18
Re: Earthquakes and 'end times'
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The point I think is not to dry wolf This time ... I agree with pk. I suspect it would be dangerous to try to dry wolves. Yes definitely don't dry a wolf on your own. :):):):):) Thanks Woody I fixed it. pk
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#344050 - 2010-03-13 17:20:13
Re: Earthquakes and 'end times'
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......and where is the Good News that is to be preached to all the world?
That is "yet another question" - both questions are valid. Both have to be answered. But in the context of last day events, the sensational cataclysmic events shout out the still small voice of the Good News. The average Joe and Josephine can't hear due to other sensational news from the last day events scenerio.
To a thinking public, what is good about the end of all things that we know?
....Is the Good News (aka Gospel) REALLY good news or is it something that eases your fears?
...I think we all agree that disasters (earthquakes) are a means to really shake a person back to God or at least alert her/him of his/her condition between her/him and God. The question is, in the chronology of life, is not so much as "Where is God?" but if God ever was present in the life?
Indeed it is "good news" that God does not simply "show up" and then everyone place their cards on the table. The reason he sends signs and warnings is that "God is not willing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance". [/quote] Ah, as opposed to the cataclysmic scenarios where all are trying to survive after loosing everything. "sorry, God...Didn't hear the maniac looking man shouting out that these are the last days of earth history. I was too busy trying to avoid falling bricks, being swallowed up tears in the ground, my kids being hungry, my wife grumbling that there is no cuddling and when I do, I fall asleep...." At least, with the "all cards on deck" scenerio, the Holy Spirit woos each person.....
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