Dude....Read the translations....Everyone with a mind knows that the KJV and one or two others added "who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit"

Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

Otherwise every time you fail there's condemnation....This is yo-yo salvation typically taught by legalists who love to be looked at as holy joes....Like the Pharisee everything they do is to be seen of men.....

I'm afraid you're wrong about that. And I'm going to assume you have a mind. But I could be wrong. The more liberal translations have taken it out.

Rom 8:1 There is, then, now no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus, who walk not according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit; [Young's Literal Translation]


Rom 8:1 Consequently nothing is condemnation now to those in Christ Jesus, who walk not according to flesh but according to Spirit. {ACV}


Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. {UKJV}

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
{KJ2000}

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. {NKJV}

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
{KJV}

Rom 8:1 Ahora, pues, ninguna condenación hay para los que están en Cristo Jesús, los que no andan conforme a la carne, sino conforme al Espíritu. {RVR}

There is therefore now no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus, who walk not according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. {Webster's Bible}

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Messiah Yeshua, who don't walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. {HNV}

Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus....

The word “therefore” immediately tells me that this verse is connected with the previous statements that Paul made. What did Paul say previously to verse 1 of chapter 8? Remember, there were no chapter and verse divisions when Paul wrote. What is he saying? He has just told us in Romans 7:14-25 that there is a problem in his life, a problem in every human life. And that is: sin dwells in us. The law of sin is in our members. And in Romans 7:24 he cries out in desperation:

What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?

I have a body that stands condemned to death because it has sin dwelling in it. Who will deliver me not from my sin, my acts, but from what I am? That is the issue. I want you to know his answer, Romans 7:25:

Thanks be to God — through Jesus Christ our Lord!

Now he didn’t explain any further there. He goes to Romans 8 to explain what he means by, “Thanks be to God — through Jesus Christ our Lord!” In view of this, he says:

Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus....

Do you still have sin dwelling in your members? I’m not talking about performance, I’m talking of sin dwelling in you, in your members. The answer is “yes,” because Christians still have sinful flesh. Do you stand condemned? Not in Christ; there is no condemnation for those in Christ.

Now I would like to say for those of you who have the King James version of the Bible, because you will notice, those of you who have a modern translation like the NIV, Good News Bible, or any contemporary version, the second half of verse one from the King James is not there:

...who do walk not according to the flesh [the sinful nature], but according to the Spirit.

The most reliable manuscripts do not have that second part. I am convinced this is a scribal addition, not mainly because of the textual fact but because if Paul put that statement there in verse 1, he would be contradicting his own theology. Because he would be saying that we are justified because we are doing something, we are walking in the Spirit. He would be making sanctification the means of justification, which Paul condemned.

Yes, sanctification is the fruit of justification, never the means. That part, “walking in the spirit and not in the flesh,” does belong to verse 4 but not to verse 3. All that Paul says in verse 1 is that, “There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ.” Why is there no condemnation for those who are in Christ? The answer is found in verse 2, because something took place in Christ. Romans 8:2:

...Because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.

Please notice it’s not through you, but through Christ. Now the words “set me free” are in the past historic tense, the Aorist. It’s something that has already happened in the past. I have and you have already been freed from the law of sin and death, but we have been freed in Christ.

At the creation of Adam (and later Eve) God made no distinction between 'spirit' and 'flesh'. God molded Adam out of clay (the dust of the ground); this became Adam's flesh, blood and bone. Then God added the 'spirit', in Adam's case N'shama-the communicating spirit that allowed Adam to speak with God directly. The other human beings on earth and the animals had 'nephish', the breath that is in all living things. These two together create the 'soul'. When the body dies the spirit leaves and the 'soul' is extinguished as a light when you throw the switch to off. The 'soul' does not go to heaven to 'be with the Lord'; as in 'absent in the body is to be with the Lord'. Paul believed (as do most Christians today) that spirit is equivalent to soul, which is why Paul believed that when you die you go to heaven 'in spirit' to be with the Lord. This is patently wrong (as is predestination) and not supported in either the OT or in the teachings of Jesus.

So to say (as does Paul) that the 'spirit' is righteous and wants to always do good, and the 'flesh' is sinful and always wants to do evil is bunk, and is not supported by what Jesus taught to His own disciples. If Paul is wrong about this could he just possibly be wrong about other things as well?

When the third law is introduced, then there is no condemnation.

That is clear because 8:2 follows 7:25.

Also, as Richard has pointed out, the text plainly states that there is no condemnation based on two conditions:

1. That they have the Holy Spirit.
2. That they follow the leading of the Holy Spirit.

The fact that the freedom from condemnation comes in 8:1, shows that in Romans 7:14-24 the condemnation is still in place.

Which implies that the man in Romans 7:14-24, was not in fact "in Christ", because he did not have the third law operating.

That 3rd Law is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.


If you do not have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, bringing Christ into the heart, through your obedience to the leading of the Spirit, then you are condemned.


Mark :-)

You can have the spirit and sin....So # 1 isn't an issue. As to # 2, nothing is said that you must be walking in the spirit to have no condemnation.

"Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus..."

Why? Because of what the Spirit does in you? No, look at verse 2: because in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.

Note, not in you, but "in Christ" the law of Spirit defeated the law of sin and therefore death.

Now you know the truth....

Amen!!

The Spirit is not a covering Presence. It is a transforming Presence. The reason there is no condemnation is because, by the Spirit, we are so imbued with Christ that we follow the Lamb whithersoever He goeth.

We are transformed into keepers of the "law of liberty" by the Spirit.

2Cor 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord....
4:2 [We] have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

Amen karl

The law of the Spirit of life "in" Christ Jesus has set "me" free from the law of sin and death Robert.

I am not quite sure what you are trying to argue here?