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#343153 - 2010-03-10 22:02:48 Re: American Muslim Calls Mass Murderer a Role Model [Re: Bravus]
bonnie Registered: 2001-06-20 Posts: 8896 Loc: MN	Originally Posted By: Bravus It's OK for the Jews to begin in slaughter, because God said so, but when the Muslims do so 1200 years later, it's damnable. That's my point and my whole point. Exceptionalism. There really isn't any debate as far as I am concerned.Obeying should The bloody slaughter of Islam was not directed by God. Quote: Murder is OK for people with whom we agree but just cause to dismiss entirely and damn entire religions with whom we disagree. Wrong again Quote: If God commanded it, so much the worse for God. Well, we obviously disagree.Whatever God commanded was right for god to do.God cannot make a mistake _________________________ 'I'll keep my God, my freedom, my gun and my money. You can keep "THE CHANGE".'
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#343161 - 2010-03-10 22:17:55 Re: American Muslim Calls Mass Murderer a Role Model [Re: Neil D]
bonnie Registered: 2001-06-20 Posts: 8896 Loc: MN	Originally Posted By: Neil D Quote: "Nothing inspired by the Qur'an"? I am aware that the Sabbath is presented in a favorable light in the Qur'an....And that is the Saturday Sabbath.... Can you try to stick to what was said please. Presenting the sabbath in a positive light.Does not make the Qur'an inspired by God.Only one book does that [quote] I wonder...if we were ever to get to the negotiating table with Islam or the Teleban, AND we recounted all the attrocities that they did...I wonder how far we would get in negotiating .....Probably not to far. But I am reasonably sure the US and history would be fair game [quote]What? Those savages that scalped people and hung those same scalps on thier belts??? Something tells me that the early settlers thought only that the savages were evil.... You are probably right and so what? Hmmmmmm.....I am sure that the Indian thought of it when the white man broke so many treaties. I am sure that when they uprose against the attrocities of the white man, they slaughtered farms/families...I wonder how many culture foopahs/no-nos we managed to mangle with the muslims....Nah, they're just savages, like the indian. There's no reasoning with them....right? Probably a few.Is there reasoning with a terrorist? Not generally Quote: Hey, I never said that...Don't you be a puttin' words in MY mouth that I never said...Your the one with the chip on her shoulder over muslims...You are the one who wants to destroy them and kill them because they are senseless creatures...You are the one who doesn't want to treat them as human beings and find out thier greivances with us...This is how you WANT it done....destroy the lot of them....and do it in the name of God and the good ol' US of A. You really don't have a problem doing so to others. .Don't you be a puttin' words in MY mouth that I never said.. I would like you to produce one time where I said I wanted t destroy them,kill them because they are senseless human beings Or to destroy the lot of them.I never invoked God to kill them or have them killed Quote: The same problem of understanding your atrocious attitude . Perhaps you didn't notice that I was noticing your attitude.... I assumed you were but as I did not say what you have claimed for me I really didn't care _________________________ 'I'll keep my God, my freedom, my gun and my money. You can keep "THE CHANGE".'
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#343264 - 2010-03-11 07:00:03 Re: American Muslim Calls Mass Murderer a Role Model [Re: bonnie]
olger Registered: 2005-12-26 Posts: 7734 Loc: Ohio	God makes all kinds of mistakes, in the eyes of "creational agnostics" and "progressive" biblical critics. _________________________ "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
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#343280 - 2010-03-11 08:05:30 Re: American Muslim Calls Mass Murderer a Role Model [Re: bonnie]
lazarus Registered: 2005-07-09 Posts: 3489 Loc: Maryland USA	Originally Posted By: bonnie Is there reasoning with a terrorist? Actually , generally, yes. The point of terrorism is to bring terror so that the government/authorities will be willing to talk. It worked in Northern Ireland. _________________________ Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
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#343296 - 2010-03-11 08:52:53 Re: American Muslim Calls Mass Murderer a Role Model [Re: lazarus]
bonnie Registered: 2001-06-20 Posts: 8896 Loc: MN	Originally Posted By: lazarus Originally Posted By: bonnie Is there reasoning with a terrorist? Actually , generally, yes. The point of terrorism is to bring terror so that the government/authorities will be willing to talk. It worked in Northern Ireland. Not generally. Try reasoning with Osama Bin-Laden and reach a compromise _________________________ 'I'll keep my God, my freedom, my gun and my money. You can keep "THE CHANGE".'
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#343725 - 2010-03-12 20:55:34 Re: American Muslim Calls Mass Murderer a Role Model [Re: bonnie]
karl Registered: 2009-04-18 Posts: 2752	Originally Posted By: lazarus Originally Posted By: bonnie Is there reasoning with a terrorist? Actually , generally, yes. The point of terrorism is to bring terror so that the government/authorities will be willing to talk. No, the point of terrorism is to terrorize so that people will be willing to give up anything to make the terrorism stop. It is not to get government to talk. It is to get the government to give in to the demands of the terrorists or to simply get the government to a point of paralysis (or out of the way) so that the terrorists can gain power or control.
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#343761 - 2010-03-12 21:39:49 Re: American Muslim Calls Mass Murderer a Role Model [Re: karl]
bonnie Registered: 2001-06-20 Posts: 8896 Loc: MN	Quote: . The point of terrorism is to bring terror so that the government/authorities will be willing to talk. Quote: No, the point of terrorism is to terrorize so that people will be willing to give up anything to make the terrorism stop. It is not to get government to talk. It is to get the government to give in to the demands of the terrorists or to simply get the government to a point of paralysis (or out of the way) so that the terrorists can gain power or control. Terrorists are simply misunderstood gentle souls that want only the best for "their people" Edited by bonnie (2010-03-12 21:40:11) _________________________ 'I'll keep my God, my freedom, my gun and my money. You can keep "THE CHANGE".'
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#344043 - 2010-03-13 16:46:29 Re: American Muslim Calls Mass Murderer a Role Model [Re: karl]
lazarus Registered: 2005-07-09 Posts: 3489 Loc: Maryland USA	Originally Posted By: karl No, the point of terrorism is to terrorize so that people will be willing to give up anything to make the terrorism stop. It is not to get government to talk. It is to get the government to give in to the demands of the terrorists or to simply get the government to a point of paralysis (or out of the way) so that the terrorists can gain power or control. Most if not all terrorist groups don't have the capacity to take over the government or they would actually form some kind of militia or rebel army. The reason they resort to terrorism is because of their relatively small numbers and relatively limited resources. _________________________ Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
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#344044 - 2010-03-13 16:51:07 Re: American Muslim Calls Mass Murderer a Role Model [Re: lazarus]
lazarus Registered: 2005-07-09 Posts: 3489 Loc: Maryland USA	Governments talk to terrorists all the time.They always will. _________________________ Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
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#347094 - 2010-03-23 19:06:02 Re: American Muslim Calls Mass Murderer a Role Model [Re: lazarus]
SivartM nods emphatically Registered: 2008-12-20 Posts: 3201 Loc: Here, there, everywhere	I wanted to share this but wasn't sure where would be best, so since this is mostly related to the topic I'll post it here. At Pathfinders last night, taking prayer requests, our leader suggested praying for the troops in Iraq. One kid said, "We're winning!" Leader: "Yeah, but a lot of people are dying over there, so..." Kid: "Well, yeah, but a lot of the Taliban are dying too..." Muslim=people disconnect? There seems to be a lot of that going around in some places. Of course, this particular kid has a brother in Iraq, so it's sort of understandable, but still... At least another kid said, "Well, duh!" That made me feel at least slightly better. _________________________ "Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde “Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets." - Jesus
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