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#342904 - 2010-03-10 12:13:27 Re: American Muslim Calls Mass Murderer a Role Model [Re: Stan]
Neil D Offline
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Originally Posted By: Stan Jensen
is there any one person who really represents his/her group?


How about "Jesus" as an answer to the above question? and Christians [please note, Xians is spelled with a capital "C"], who follow Jesus to the best of their ability...

But you'all knew that, didn't you? And you all would say that "Jesus" in subject to the interpretation of the individual, didn't you? Hence, we have Christians and then we have christians...


Originally Posted By: Pam

I don't find it to be incumbent upon myself to go out of my way to learn about Islam. I'm not interested in Islam. I AM interested in staying safe and alive.


Hmmmmmm....interesting concept...A christian who deliberately refuses to learn...Hmmmmmmmm...don't think that is too safe a concept to live by...let alone a concept that encourages staying alive...I prefer one that encourages me to thrive and live...which means that I do a lot of studying and sometimes, I NEED to go out of my way to learn about others that I am not too keen on....


Regarding "mooslisms"
Originally Posted By: olger

I am persuaded that they are the genetic offspring of the Great Harlot of Revelation 17.


That is very christian of you, olger....Wrong type of christian, but christian nevertheless....Bless yer heart.


Edited by Neil D (2010-03-10 12:14:33)
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#342917 - 2010-03-10 13:28:50 Re: American Muslim Calls Mass Murderer a Role Model [Re: Neil D]
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Originally Posted By: Neil

Hmmmmmm....interesting concept...A christian who deliberately refuses to learn...Hmmmmmmmm...don't think that is too safe a concept to live by...let alone a concept that encourages staying alive...I prefer one that encourages me to thrive and live...which means that I do a lot of studying and sometimes, I NEED to go out of my way to learn about others that I am not too keen on....


Thank you, Neil, for your labelling me as a christian. (note the small "c") That was very christian of you. I appreciate that. It's shows a true christian spirit.

Show me why I need to learn about muslims.

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#342921 - 2010-03-10 13:39:37 Re: American Muslim Calls Mass Murderer a Role Model [Re: Neil D]
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The evident contempt, or at best, apathy, toward Muslims by some here as well as so frequently expressed by Americans (who predominantly claim to be Christian) in general, raises an interesting thought in light of the twisted and oft derailed discussion elsewhere about our Christian attitude toward the poor.

The overwhelming majority of Muslims live in poverty. Muslims are the largest group of people living in extreme poverty today. More than a half billion Muslims live in "extreme poverty", defined by the World Bank as living on less than $1.25/day. That is more than a third of all of those living in extreme poverty.

And poverty is a major contributing factor in the tensions between the Islamic world and the West.

So what are we Christians to do about it?
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#342923 - 2010-03-10 13:44:44 Re: American Muslim Calls Mass Murderer a Role Model [Re: Tom Wetmore]
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Originally Posted By: Tom Wetmore
The evident contempt, or at best, apathy, toward Muslims by some here as well as so frequently expressed by Americans (who predominantly claim to be Christian) in general, raises an interesting thought in light of the twisted and oft derailed discussion elsewhere about our Christian attitude toward the poor.

The overwhelming majority of Muslims live in poverty. Muslims are the largest group of people living in extreme poverty today. More than a half billion Muslims live in "extreme poverty", defined by the World Bank as living on less than $1.25/day. That is more than a third of all of those living in extreme poverty.

And poverty is a major contributing factor in the tensions between the Islamic world and the West.

So what are we Christians to do about it?


I don't know, Tom. I'm not a Christian, according to Neil, so I guess I don't need to worry about it.

But why aren't the sheiks who have billions of money do something to help their own? Don't they care?
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#342924 - 2010-03-10 13:44:51 Re: American Muslim Calls Mass Murderer a Role Model [Re: rudywoofs]
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Originally Posted By: rudywoofs
Originally Posted By: Neil

Hmmmmmm....interesting concept...A christian who deliberately refuses to learn...Hmmmmmmmm...don't think that is too safe a concept to live by...let alone a concept that encourages staying alive...I prefer one that encourages me to thrive and live...which means that I do a lot of studying and sometimes, I NEED to go out of my way to learn about others that I am not too keen on....


Thank you, Neil, for your labelling me as a christian. (note the small "c") That was very christian of you. I appreciate that. It's shows a true christian spirit.


What is truely bothering you, Pam...? The concept that you refuse to learn? Or your experience that encourages your hatred of muslims? Or that you are nit-picking?

Either way, doesn't that earn you the little "c" in Christian? Just askin'.....
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#342926 - 2010-03-10 13:51:05 Re: American Muslim Calls Mass Murderer a Role Model [Re: Neil D]
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My experience with Muslims is not allowed to be discussed.

I don't hate most Muslims.

I am not nit-picking.

You are the one who gave me the little "c" in christian.
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#342931 - 2010-03-10 13:59:42 Re: American Muslim Calls Mass Murderer a Role Model [Re: rudywoofs]
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Maybe the radical Muslims got on the internet one day and that's why they now want to put the Christians out of their misery.

I mean, if we're killing each other mentally, why shouldn't they finish the job? Plus it would be a lot quieter and if we were gone. Then they could sit down and have long, friendly chats on Club Islam...
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#342933 - 2010-03-10 14:10:38 Re: American Muslim Calls Mass Murderer a Role Model [Re: rudywoofs]
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Quote:

The overwhelming majority of Muslims live in poverty. Muslims are the largest group of people living in extreme poverty today. More than a half billion Muslims live in "extreme poverty", defined by the World Bank as living on less than $1.25/day. That is more than a third of all of those living in extreme poverty.

Their poverty is not because of the west.

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And poverty is a major contributing factor in the tensions between the Islamic world and the West.

So what are we Christians to do about it?


Their leaders are more than happy to keep them in as much poverty as possible

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I don't know, Tom. I'm not a Christian, according to Neil, so I guess I don't need to worry about it.

If someone does not praise or share their opinion of Islam they are accused of hatred. Just flipping that around perhaps those that have taken you to task are expressing hatred towards you.

Osama Bin Laden comes to mind.He could improve the lot of many muslims.Maybe the contribution to the families of muslim suicide bombers count.
The duty of christians is different than a secular government. Our government is not responsible or obligated to make sure our culture is approved of by muslims or anyone else.


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But why aren't the sheiks who have billions of money do something to help their own? Don't they care?


Sure they do.Families are compensated for those they dupe into becoming suicide bombers
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#342961 - 2010-03-10 16:28:23 Re: American Muslim Calls Mass Murderer a Role Model [Re: bonnie]
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Did God create every human being?

Did Jesus die for every human being?

End of discussion about some human beings being worth more than others.
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#342965 - 2010-03-10 16:39:57 Re: American Muslim Calls Mass Murderer a Role Model [Re: Bravus]
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Originally Posted By: Bravus
Did God create every human being?

Did Jesus die for every human being?

End of discussion about some human beings being worth more than others.


I don't think anywhere has it been questioned whether God created all or who Jesus died for.
Nor was any statement made about some human beings worth more than others.
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