Abelisle, what is your opinion of Selmanovic's aberrant views of Scripture?


regards,



oG

Islam is a violent religion, and most Muslims are therefore prone to violence. Islam has a violent element, just as can be found in other faiths. This element, however, represents only a small percentage of Muslims. The Gallup organization conducted a massive worldwide survey of Muslims, interviewing some 30,000 people. The results showed that 93 percent of Muslims reject violence.

“Allah” is the name of a pagan deity. This myth is quickly disproved by a study of etymology. “Allah” is simply the Arabic term for God, was so used by Arab Christians before Muhammad, and is still so used. Because Islam arose among Arabs and the Koran is written in Arabic, inevitably the name “Allah” was adopted to designate God.

Because of their high birthrates, Muslims soon will outnumber Christians, becoming the majority religion in several countries of Europe. A DVD circulating widely has scared some Adventists, who have accepted its ideas uncritically. In effect, the DVD portrays a nonviolent takeover of the West by Muslims whose large families before long overwhelm the culture. Despite the graphic presentation, the argument is flawed. It cherry-picks the data; it makes unwarranted assumptions; it ignores evidence that runs counter to its thesis.

Something to worry about in light of this article is the spotlight that could be put on Adventists as friends of Muslims - not a very good position to be in Islamicphobic America. What a convenient prop for the instigation of religious persecution. We must be " wise as serpents" but friendly "as doves"

Alex

Something to worry about in light of this article is the spotlight that could be put on Adventists as friends of Muslims - not a very good position to be in Islamicphobic America. What a convenient prop for the instigation of religious persecution. We must be " wise as serpents" but friendly "as doves"

Alex

My question for the sheik who had the dream about Adventists...why didn't the sheik come over *here* to visit the GC and visit with Adventists, instead of GC officials going over to see *him*? Who could better afford the trip?

Something to worry about in light of this article is the spotlight that could be put on Adventists as friends of Muslims - not a very good position to be in Islamicphobic America. What a convenient prop for the instigation of religious persecution. We must be " wise as serpents" but friendly "as doves"

Alex

Something to worry about in light of this article is the spotlight that could be put on Adventists as friends of Muslims - not a very good position to be in Islamicphobic America. What a convenient prop for the instigation of religious persecution. We must be " wise as serpents" but friendly "as doves"

Alex

I have a Muslim friend who is against violence, as many are. We have peaceful, honest discussions.

In Genesis 16:12 the Lord predicts that Ishmael would be a "wild man," and "his hand will be against every man". It also says that "... he shall dwell (prosper) in the presence of all his brethren."

It's one thing to know this, but should we dwell on it and become discouraged by it? God still reigns!

I have a Muslim friend who is against violence, as many are. We have peaceful, honest discussions.

In Genesis 16:12 the Lord predicts that Ishmael would be a "wild man," and "his hand will be against every man". It also says that "... he shall dwell (prosper) in the presence of all his brethren."

It's one thing to know this, but should we dwell on it and become discouraged by it? God still reigns!

In Genesis 16:12 the Lord predicts that Ishmael would be a "wild man," and "his hand will be against every man". It also says that "... he shall dwell (prosper) in the presence of all his brethren."

Ishmael -> Arabs -> Muslims

There was a letter from Johnson in the last online Review, but it was on the other computer, which decided not to boot yesterday afternoon. Maybe you could find it.

My question for the sheik who had the dream about Adventists...why didn't the sheik come over *here* to visit the GC and visit with Adventists, instead of GC officials going over to see *him*? Who could better afford the trip?

If I see an obviously Muslim person in a store or on the street, I will deliberately avoid them like the plague. I know some of you have Muslim friends. That's fine. You can keep them. I don't trust them.

OLDSAILOR29

Arabs which are mostly Muslims claim that they
are decendents of ABRAHAM

dgrimm60

An empty claim which cannot be proven.

Something to worry about in light of this article is the spotlight that could be put on Adventists as friends of Muslims - not a very good position to be in Islamicphobic America. What a convenient prop for the instigation of religious persecution. We must be " wise as serpents" but friendly "as doves"

Alex

An empty claim which cannot be proven.

OLDSAILOR29

Arabs which are mostly Muslims claim that they
are decendents of ABRAHAM

dgrimm60

An empty claim which cannot be proven.

and the Muslims can say the same thing about the Jews. All of which will get NO ONE anywhere

Something to worry about in light of this article is the spotlight that could be put on Adventists as friends of Muslims - not a very good position to be in Islamicphobic America. What a convenient prop for the instigation of religious persecution. We must be " wise as serpents" but friendly "as doves"

Alex

My question for the sheik who had the dream about Adventists...why didn't the sheik come over *here* to visit the GC and visit with Adventists, instead of GC officials going over to see *him*? Who could better afford the trip?

I shared the article with someone close, who happens to be a Christian of a different faith(other than Adventist). There immediate response was somewhat alluding to making a union with the devil.
I asked the question, do you believe the muslim is lost who is not a believer in Jesus as Lord. The answer was yes, when they were asked to restrict their answer to a yes or a no.
I asked them then, did they believe this Word.

"...for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.”" Luke 19:10 NKJV

I did not voice the next question which would have been, "How would you propose we go about working with Jesus to accomplish that end re: the Muslim?". I did suggest the President of a major Christian faith would seem to be a very appropriate individual to visit a high ranking Shiek, especially when there are a number of mutual practical living attributes of both religions that would seem to enhance making friends, which I believe is one of Jesus' favorite, and in my opinion, best ways of reaching the heart.

Do you have thoughts on this?
Blessings!

I have a Muslim friend who is against violence, as many are. We have peaceful, honest discussions.

In Genesis 16:12 the Lord predicts that Ishmael would be a "wild man," and "his hand will be against every man". It also says that "... he shall dwell (prosper) in the presence of all his brethren."

It's one thing to know this, but should we dwell on it and become discouraged by it? God still reigns!

An empty claim which cannot be proven.

It would seem to me the one most interested in influencing the other for the sake of winning a person to receive Jesus as Lord, would be provided by the King with enough to make the trip.

I shared the article with someone close, who happens to be a Christian of a different faith(other than Adventist). There immediate response was somewhat alluding to making a union with the devil.
I asked the question, do you believe the muslim is lost who is not a believer in Jesus as Lord. The answer was yes, when they were asked to restrict their answer to a yes or a no.
I asked them then, did they believe this Word.

"...for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.”" Luke 19:10 NKJV

I did not voice the next question which would have been, "How would you propose we go about working with Jesus to accomplish that end re: the Muslim?". I did suggest the President of a major Christian faith would seem to be a very appropriate individual to visit a high ranking Shiek, especially when there are a number of mutual practical living attributes of both religions that would seem to enhance making friends, which I believe is one of Jesus' favorite, and in my opinion, best ways of reaching the heart.

Do you have thoughts on this?
Blessings!

And they really respect you when they find out that there is a class of Christians who not only do not hate them, but do not drink alcohol or eat pork as well!

I also agree that Jesus came to seek that which is lost, and those would include the Muslims too, wouldn't they?

"...I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some" ...unless they were too different or it was too expensive.

I have noticed similar attitudes among many Christians of other denominations, including good friends of ours who belong to a Pentecostal church.

Muslims are not looked upon as lost human beings in need of a Saviour, and there are no plans to evangelize them or share the gospel with them as there are with every other non-Christian group . There are no missionaries to the Muslims.

They are seen as something sub-human, lower than animals even - more like demonic beings. The approach is to pray against them in the same way that they pray against demons and evil spirits.

Muslims are seen as an obstruction placed there by Satan to obstruct and prevent the Jews from reclaiming the "Holy Land" thus enabling end-time events (as they see them) to unfold.

Scripture texts about the children of Israel entering the promised land and slaughtering everything in their path to do so (including women and children) often get a mention in this context, and I am sure many Christians wish there was no legal impediment to deoing exactly the same.

Anybody, whether it is the UN or President Obama or Amnesty or any other person/group who tries to consider the Muslims/ Palestinians as actual human beings with rights and dignity like us, is immediately painted as an antichrist who is standing in the way of "God's plans."

I find all this disturbing and I am relieved and pleased that Adventists are taking a different approach.

And yes, I have Muslim friends and neighbors (close enough to eat at each other's houses regularly, and to have attended the birth of my neighbor's son). They really are human beings like you and I, and they do not have horns or tails. As Shakespeare would have put it; if you prick them they bleed, and if you tickle them they laugh.

And they really respect you when they find out that there is a class of Christians who not only do not hate them, but do not drink alcohol or eat pork as well!

aldona

It is not easy for me to see the Muslims in a kindly light, particularly after seeing the horrible recent activity some of them accomplish, as instructed in the Quran to do.

An empty claim which cannot be proven.

In the Old Testament Abraham cannot have a child with his wife, Sarah. So, she gives him her handmaiden Hagar. With Hagar Abraham has a child, a son, Ishmael.

Eventually, though, in her old age Sarah conceives of a child with divine help. That child is Isaac. After the birth of her son, Sarah forces Abraham to send Hagar and Ishmael away from their home. Although, in the Qur’an, it is Allah who tells Abraham to send Hagar and Ishmael into the desert.

While some Jews and Christians believe they are descendents of Isaac, Muslims believe they are the inheritors of Ishmael’s legacy – that they, along with Jews and Christians, are the “children of Abraham”.

And they believe it was Ishmael, not Isaac, Abraham almost sacrificed to God. The sparing of Ishmael’s life is celebrated with the festival Eid ul-Adha. When God spared Ishmael, the boy was replaced with a ram – it is because of this Muslims make animal sacrifices during the festival.

Ishmael is highly regarded in Islam for his goodness and wisdom. After wandering in the desert with his mother – Hagar’s search for water is reenacted during the Hajj each year – they settled in Mecca. There it is believed Ishmael built the Ka’aba with Abraham.

Oh, by all means, let us spread the gospel to the Muslims no matter how much it costs. They are such wonderful people.

“People who are well do not need a doctor, but only those who are sick.
13 Go and find out what is meant by the scripture that says: ‘It is kindness that I want, not animal sacrifices.’ I have not come to call respectable people, but outcasts.” Mt 9:12-13 GNT

Muslims aren't sick or outcasts. Well, they DO get kidney stones. But they know about Jesus. And the SDA converts are such sweet people. They go by what the Bible says instead of the Quran.

But those poor people just didn't understand what they were doing.. cutting off people's heads..well, that was just a fluke - we shouldn't remember that.

I said the beheadings were a "fluke"....

You know, it's too bad that a vocal violent minority of a group of people give a whole group of people a bad name. But that's what happens.