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#342255 - 2010-03-08 12:45:12 Re: Adventists and Islam [Re: oldsailor29]
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Originally Posted By: oldsailor29
Originally Posted By: dgrimm60
OLDSAILOR29

Arabs which are mostly Muslims claim that they
are decendents of ABRAHAM

dgrimm60



An empty claim which cannot be proven.


"Blessed are the peacemakers, For they shall be called sons of God."Matthew 5:9 NKJV

Pretty hard to prove we're sons and daughters of God, too.
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#342273 - 2010-03-08 15:15:25 Re: Adventists and Islam [Re: LifeHiscost]
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Originally Posted By: LifeHiscost
Originally Posted By: rudywoofs
My question for the sheik who had the dream about Adventists...why didn't the sheik come over *here* to visit the GC and visit with Adventists, instead of GC officials going over to see *him*? Who could better afford the trip?


It would seem to me the one most interested in influencing the other for the sake of winning a person to receive Jesus as Lord, would be provided by the King with enough to make the trip.
peace


Think of the money it cost to send a GC delegation over there just to talk to a sheik. That was just playing politics.
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#342288 - 2010-03-08 16:24:42 Re: Adventists and Islam [Re: rudywoofs]
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#342291 - 2010-03-08 16:34:51 Re: Adventists and Islam [Re: Bravus]
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"...I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some"... WHAT? How deceiving is that? Hope the person who said this also said "...May it never be..."

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#342292 - 2010-03-08 16:37:21 Re: Adventists and Islam [Re: LifeHiscost]
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Originally Posted By: LifeHiscost

I shared the article with someone close, who happens to be a Christian of a different faith(other than Adventist). There immediate response was somewhat alluding to making a union with the devil.
I asked the question, do you believe the muslim is lost who is not a believer in Jesus as Lord. The answer was yes, when they were asked to restrict their answer to a yes or a no.
I asked them then, did they believe this Word.

"...for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.”" Luke 19:10 NKJV

I did not voice the next question which would have been, "How would you propose we go about working with Jesus to accomplish that end re: the Muslim?". I did suggest the President of a major Christian faith would seem to be a very appropriate individual to visit a high ranking Shiek, especially when there are a number of mutual practical living attributes of both religions that would seem to enhance making friends, which I believe is one of Jesus' favorite, and in my opinion, best ways of reaching the heart.

Do you have thoughts on this?
Blessings! peace


I have noticed similar attitudes among many Christians of other denominations, including good friends of ours who belong to a Pentecostal church.

Muslims are not looked upon as lost human beings in need of a Saviour, and there are no plans to evangelize them or share the gospel with them as there are with every other non-Christian group . There are no missionaries to the Muslims.

They are seen as something sub-human, lower than animals even - more like demonic beings. The approach is to pray against them in the same way that they pray against demons and evil spirits.

Muslims are seen as an obstruction placed there by Satan to obstruct and prevent the Jews from reclaiming the "Holy Land" thus enabling end-time events (as they see them) to unfold.

Scripture texts about the children of Israel entering the promised land and slaughtering everything in their path to do so (including women and children) often get a mention in this context, and I am sure many Christians wish there was no legal impediment to deoing exactly the same.

Anybody, whether it is the UN or President Obama or Amnesty or any other person/group who tries to consider the Muslims/ Palestinians as actual human beings with rights and dignity like us, is immediately painted as an antichrist who is standing in the way of "God's plans."

I find all this disturbing and I am relieved and pleased that Adventists are taking a different approach.

And yes, I have Muslim friends and neighbors (close enough to eat at each other's houses regularly, and to have attended the birth of my neighbor's son). They really are human beings like you and I, and they do not have horns or tails. As Shakespeare would have put it; if you prick them they bleed, and if you tickle them they laugh.

And they really respect you when they find out that there is a class of Christians who not only do not hate them, but do not drink alcohol or eat pork as well!

aldona


Edited by aldona (2010-03-08 16:38:45)
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#342294 - 2010-03-08 16:50:29 Re: Adventists and Islam [Re: aldona]
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aldona, I agree with what you wrote. This week at the APC in Loma Linda, I found a booth that is a ministry to Islam which I thought was really neat. I too have and have had very close friends who are Muslim and I found it neat that we had food in common just like you did.

I also agree that Jesus came to seek that which is lost, and those would include the Muslims too, wouldn't they? When Jesus came, there were no Christians or Muslims. Jesus' gospel or testimoney was all about the Kingdom of Heaven and that did not include any special religion like Christians or Muslims or Hindeus or Budests.

From Reading what God told us in Revelation 7:9-16 it clearly shows that the multitude that comes out of the time of trouble will be from every nation, tribe and race--and don't you suppose this could also be from every religion?

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#342300 - 2010-03-08 17:27:41 Re: Adventists and Islam [Re: Dr. Rich]
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#342307 - 2010-03-08 17:49:32 Re: Adventists and Islam [Re: Bravus]
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Originally Posted By: Aldona
And they really respect you when they find out that there is a class of Christians who not only do not hate them, but do not drink alcohol or eat pork as well!


That's nice.


Originally Posted By: Dr.Rich
I also agree that Jesus came to seek that which is lost, and those would include the Muslims too, wouldn't they?


That's nice.


Yes, Musliims do have a certain way about them that Adventists can relate to.
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#342309 - 2010-03-08 17:53:53 Re: Adventists and Islam [Re: rudywoofs]
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Originally Posted By: Bravus
"...I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some" ...unless they were too different or it was too expensive.


Oh, by all means, let us spread the gospel to the Muslims no matter how much it costs. They are such wonderful people.
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#342310 - 2010-03-08 17:54:38 Re: Adventists and Islam [Re: aldona]
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Originally Posted By: aldona
Originally Posted By: LifeHiscost

I shared the article with someone close, who happens to be a Christian of a different faith(other than Adventist). There immediate response was somewhat alluding to making a union with the devil.
I asked the question, do you believe the muslim is lost who is not a believer in Jesus as Lord. The answer was yes, when they were asked to restrict their answer to a yes or a no.
I asked them then, did they believe this Word.

"...for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.”" Luke 19:10 NKJV

I did not voice the next question which would have been, "How would you propose we go about working with Jesus to accomplish that end re: the Muslim?". I did suggest the President of a major Christian faith would seem to be a very appropriate individual to visit a high ranking Shiek, especially when there are a number of mutual practical living attributes of both religions that would seem to enhance making friends, which I believe is one of Jesus' favorite, and in my opinion, best ways of reaching the heart.

Do you have thoughts on this?
Blessings! peace


I have noticed similar attitudes among many Christians of other denominations, including good friends of ours who belong to a Pentecostal church.

Muslims are not looked upon as lost human beings in need of a Saviour, and there are no plans to evangelize them or share the gospel with them as there are with every other non-Christian group . There are no missionaries to the Muslims.

They are seen as something sub-human, lower than animals even - more like demonic beings. The approach is to pray against them in the same way that they pray against demons and evil spirits.

Muslims are seen as an obstruction placed there by Satan to obstruct and prevent the Jews from reclaiming the "Holy Land" thus enabling end-time events (as they see them) to unfold.

Scripture texts about the children of Israel entering the promised land and slaughtering everything in their path to do so (including women and children) often get a mention in this context, and I am sure many Christians wish there was no legal impediment to deoing exactly the same.

Anybody, whether it is the UN or President Obama or Amnesty or any other person/group who tries to consider the Muslims/ Palestinians as actual human beings with rights and dignity like us, is immediately painted as an antichrist who is standing in the way of "God's plans."

I find all this disturbing and I am relieved and pleased that Adventists are taking a different approach.

And yes, I have Muslim friends and neighbors (close enough to eat at each other's houses regularly, and to have attended the birth of my neighbor's son). They really are human beings like you and I, and they do not have horns or tails. As Shakespeare would have put it; if you prick them they bleed, and if you tickle them they laugh.

And they really respect you when they find out that there is a class of Christians who not only do not hate them, but do not drink alcohol or eat pork as well!

aldona


There might not be any missionaries per se, but there are quite a number of people that work with and for Muslims.

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