#341200 - 2010-03-04 17:48:31
Re: Adventists and Islam
[Re: Tom Wetmore]
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Excellent article, thanks for the post Tom. But this is something that a number of Adventists have been working on for many years. To name one, John McGhee. The other guy has done a 13 parts series with Steve Wohlberg. There are others who don't seem to get any credit at all.
I guess my question to you Tom is, do you have a problem with this?
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#341224 - 2010-03-04 18:36:19
Re: Adventists and Islam
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Thanks for the link Tom. Here in NYC, we're already reaching out, mainly through the work of Samir Salmanovic. Samir Selmanovic, Ph.D., is a founder and Christian co-leader of Faith House Manhattan, an inter-faith “community of communities” that brings together forward-looking Christians, Muslims, Jews, atheists and others who seek to thrive interdependently.Samir SelmanovicSamir is also the director of a Christian community in New York City called Citylights and serves on the Interfaith Relations commission of the National Council of Churches and speaks nationally and internationally. http://www.billdahl.net/articles/does-th...ir-salmanovich/Faith House Manhattan: http://www.faithhousemanhattan.orgOf course we are our own enemy with many Adventists viewing this potential outreach with a dollop of skepticism, an effort by Satan to "muddy the waters". As for me, this solves the eschatological problem I've had for a long time which is how will we spread the gospel to the whole world considering the major percentage of which are Muslims. One question remains for me which is if Muslims simply consider Jesus to be another prophet on the level of Mohammed, why are they so concerned about his second coming? Alex
Edited by abelisle (2010-03-04 18:37:59)
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#341288 - 2010-03-04 20:04:48
Re: Adventists and Islam
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Abelisle, what is your opinion of Selmanovic's aberrant views of Scripture?
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#341328 - 2010-03-04 21:48:01
Re: Adventists and Islam
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Abelisle, what is your opinion of Selmanovic's aberrant views of Scripture?
regards,
oG I'm afraid you're going to have to be more specific and tell me not only what you're referring to but why you consider it to be aberrant. Thanks Alex
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#341542 - 2010-03-05 23:01:26
Re: Adventists and Islam
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Islam is a violent religion, and most Muslims are therefore prone to violence. Islam has a violent element, just as can be found in other faiths. This element, however, represents only a small percentage of Muslims. The Gallup organization conducted a massive worldwide survey of Muslims, interviewing some 30,000 people. The results showed that 93 percent of Muslims reject violence.
“Allah” is the name of a pagan deity. This myth is quickly disproved by a study of etymology. “Allah” is simply the Arabic term for God, was so used by Arab Christians before Muhammad, and is still so used. Because Islam arose among Arabs and the Koran is written in Arabic, inevitably the name “Allah” was adopted to designate God.
Because of their high birthrates, Muslims soon will outnumber Christians, becoming the majority religion in several countries of Europe. A DVD circulating widely has scared some Adventists, who have accepted its ideas uncritically. In effect, the DVD portrays a nonviolent takeover of the West by Muslims whose large families before long overwhelm the culture. Despite the graphic presentation, the argument is flawed. It cherry-picks the data; it makes unwarranted assumptions; it ignores evidence that runs counter to its thesis. great article. we can make friends. or we can make enemies. our choice.
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#341647 - 2010-03-06 12:48:18
Re: Adventists and Islam
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If you hear/read about an update about this Johnson/sheikh encounter, Tom, please post it. This to me is very interesting.
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#341656 - 2010-03-06 13:52:18
Re: Adventists and Islam
[Re: abelisle]
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Something to worry about in light of this article is the spotlight that could be put on Adventists as friends of Muslims - not a very good position to be in Islamicphobic America. What a convenient prop for the instigation of religious persecution. We must be " wise as serpents" but friendly "as doves"
Alex Interesting thought Alex. pk
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#341670 - 2010-03-06 14:21:07
Re: Adventists and Islam
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Something to worry about in light of this article is the spotlight that could be put on Adventists as friends of Muslims - not a very good position to be in Islamicphobic America. What a convenient prop for the instigation of religious persecution. We must be " wise as serpents" but friendly "as doves"
Alex would that be reminiscent of the quakers and slaves? what would your formula look like? should we risk persecution to stand up for right? or should we join the bandwagon?
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Joh 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
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