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#341792 - 2010-03-06 18:43:49 Re: Which direction is our educational system taking? [Re: abelisle]
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It's never right to borrow more money than you can ever hope to actually repay, not even for a benevolent purpose. And that is what our government has done, and continues to do. They need to get the national budget under control. But I'd say that pork barrel spending is probably more to blame than aid to other countries. Pork barrel should be called "bribery" because that is what it really is, an attempt to buy votes or campaign contributions, in order to further enrich those who already have more than enough.
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#341900 - 2010-03-06 22:39:51 Re: Which direction is our educational system taking? [Re: abelisle]
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Originally Posted By: abelisle
Yes
Gotcha, thanks.

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#341952 - 2010-03-07 00:32:22 Re: Which direction is our educational system taking? [Re: doug yowell]
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Plenty of good places to cut before foreign aid: military would be my vote but no doubt not others'. Let's not start with (further) cuts to public education, though...
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#342074 - 2010-03-07 12:31:49 Re: Which direction is our educational system taking? [Re: doug yowell]
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I think a quick reference back to the Declaration of Independence should give us a clue as to the direction our educational system has been taking for the past few decades. The DoI states that God created man with certain unalienable rights. Today's government states that the existence of God cannot be acknowledged in public education. It further claims that public education is a right guaranteed by the government. The government then requires public education which mandates the teaching that God did NOT create man, effectively negating the foundation upon which the country's government was founded.And we wonder where our educational system is headed? "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge." "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom."

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#342112 - 2010-03-07 15:06:06 Re: Which direction is our educational system taking? [Re: GreatLakesGramma]
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Originally Posted By: GreatLakesGramma
It's never right to borrow more money than you can ever hope to actually repay, not even for a benevolent purpose. And that is what our government has done, and continues to do. They need to get the national budget under control. But I'd say that pork barrel spending is probably more to blame than aid to other countries. Pork barrel should be called "bribery" because that is what it really is, an attempt to buy votes or campaign contributions, in order to further enrich those who already have more than enough.


I agree with your thoughts GLG, that this pork garbage needs to be gotten rid of. When they vote on something, whatever it might be, they should have to vote on just that. I believe that Clinton signed a bill that got rid of that, but Bush got rid of it when he came into office?

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#342113 - 2010-03-07 15:06:30 Re: Which direction is our educational system taking? [Re: doug yowell]
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Originally Posted By: doug yowell
I think a quick reference back to the Declaration of Independence should give us a clue as to the direction our educational system has been taking for the past few decades. The DoI states that God created man with certain unalienable rights. Today's government states that the existence of God cannot be acknowledged in public education. It further claims that public education is a right guaranteed by the government. The government then requires public education which mandates the teaching that God did NOT create man, effectively negating the foundation upon which the country's government was founded.And we wonder where our educational system is headed? "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge." "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom."


In the succinct statement of somebody wiser than I, yes!!! OTOH since we are the government, what does that tell you? Could it be we resemble the proverbial dog chasing his own tail?
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#342545 - 2010-03-09 10:57:09 Re: Which direction is our educational system taking? [Re: LifeHiscost]
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Here's a must read article from the NYTimes Sunday magazine:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/magazine/07Teachers-t.html

The focus of the article is something I've been saying for 35 years = without classroom management/discipline skills, one can't teach. BTW, I'm comment #534

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#342553 - 2010-03-09 11:35:21 Re: Which direction is our educational system taking? [Re: abelisle]
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Discipline starts in the home. If children do not learn their values in the home, there is little likelihood that a teacher can spend enough time teaching them in the school setting.

Interestingly enough, a dear friend of mine has been working as a substitue in one of our local school districts. Her observation is that there is a trend toward even less discipline in the early elementary years--a trend where even the words, "no" and "don't" are not allowed. Instead, the teachers are encouraged (by threat of losing their contracts) to only use positive reinforcements such as, "I like it when my friends stick together," or, "It makes me happy when friends keep each other safe," or even, "Friends like to share with their friends." It is not until the fourth grade when these students start to hear school discipline in the form of negativism.

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#342566 - 2010-03-09 13:14:06 Re: Which direction is our educational system taking? [Re: Aubrey]
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Originally Posted By: Aubrey
Discipline starts in the home. If children do not learn their values in the home, there is little likelihood that a teacher can spend enough time teaching them in the school setting.

Interestingly enough, a dear friend of mine has been working as a substitue in one of our local school districts. Her observation is that there is a trend toward even less discipline in the early elementary years--a trend where even the words, "no" and "don't" are not allowed. Instead, the teachers are encouraged (by threat of losing their contracts) to only use positive reinforcements such as, "I like it when my friends stick together," or, "It makes me happy when friends keep each other safe," or even, "Friends like to share with their friends." It is not until the fourth grade when these students start to hear school discipline in the form of negativism.



I totally agree Aubrey. EGW says that the first few years are very important for your childs character.

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#342699 - 2010-03-09 19:04:51 Re: Which direction is our educational system taking? [Re: olger]
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>>Answer to thread title<<

Never one to stand in the way of progress - I usually applaud the newfangled; however, wha's wid dis?—where’s the freakin’ handle? Or, is it one of those you’s gotta

stand there and wave your hands alla over tryin’ to find the optik thingee?

Sheesh!—progress...

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