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#337450 - 2010-02-21 06:21:41 Re: Dale Ratzlaff's struggles again with some hard questions [Re: Kevin H]
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Maybe another example: Let's say that in 100 years our Dale Ratzlaff IV, Ratzlaff's great grandson, has given up his belief in Paul, attacks the church for believing in Paul, and takes his great-granddad's writings, and reads me writings here and my references to Jim Fleming's "Acts, New Discoveries from the Early Church" and similar studies, and accuses his great-grandpa, me and Dr. Fleming of conspiring together in secret meetings to make a cover up of Paul.

No, no, no. Ratzlaff has his views of Paul, and I have my views (based on Fleming and others) Ratslaff and I have never met. He could very well have not heard of Fleming nor the new studies of Paul. Even if he has he clearly prefers the tradition to the facts. Ratzlaff, Flemming and I are not in some conspiricy for his Grandchildren to think that we are going to try to think that Paul fit's the fundamentalist standard and cover up the facts that he doesn't so that his great-grandson can say that we deceived him. (Isn't that correct Dale and Jim? and if I can improve this post we can discuss it in our next secret meeting)

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#337456 - 2010-02-21 07:28:21 Re: Dale Ratzlaff's struggles again with some hard questions [Re: Kevin H]
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Again, I say no need to struggle with whether or not God gave His messengers the words. Just read what Jesus said, for He is God.
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#337485 - 2010-02-21 10:33:08 Re: Dale Ratzlaff's struggles again with some hard questions [Re: Kevin H]
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Originally Posted By: Kevin H
...Paul fit's the fundamentalist standard and cover up the facts that he doesn't so that his great-grandson can say that we deceived him. (Isn't that correct Dale and Jim? and if I can improve this post we can discuss it in our next secret meeting)


Hey, Doug! I think I found some more of those secret meeting dudes!

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#337566 - 2010-02-21 17:35:32 Re: Dale Ratzlaff's struggles again with some hard questions [Re: karl]
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Originally Posted By: karl
quote=Kevin H]...Paul fit's the fundamentalist standard and cover up the facts that he doesn't so that his great-grandson can say that we deceived him. (Isn't that correct Dale and Jim? and if I can improve this post we can discuss it in our next secret meeting)


Hey, Doug! I think I found some more of those secret meeting dudes! [/quote]These "secret meeting dudes" sound positively dangerous. Im going to see my Jesuit Counsellor scared
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1Ti 1:14 (CEV) Christ Jesus our Lord was very kind to me. He has greatly blessed my life with faith and love just like his own.
1Ti 1:15 "Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners." This saying is true, and it can be trusted. I was the worst sinner of all!
1Ti 1:16 But since I was worse than anyone else, God had mercy on me and let me be an example of the endless patience of Christ Jesus. He did this so that others would put their faith in Christ and have eternal life.

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