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#336612 - 2010-02-18 21:07:05 Re: Shani Davis - jazzman of the ice [Re: Woody]
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I do agree Woody that there are rare cases of this, but very few and far between at that. I worked for an employer that got his company to be under the minority deal in Massachusetts, but would only hire one African American (at a time even and didn't think anyone notice) and he thought he was doing his duties.

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#336781 - 2010-02-19 10:39:31 Re: Shani Davis - jazzman of the ice [Re: pkrause]
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Yes. I agree pk. Racism in all forms are in the minority. But my personal experience has shown me that more blacks are racists than whites. Just my experience for what that is worth ... which is probably not much to most here !!! HA HA HA

And Alex ... No. No shame. Just my experience.
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#336989 - 2010-02-19 21:34:15 Re: Shani Davis - jazzman of the ice [Re: abelisle]
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Originally Posted By: abelisle
Originally Posted By: karl
I love you, Liz, for noticing something other than the politically correct. Does it seriously matter what color this skater is? If it matters to some people, I have to wonder, "Why?"


And karl - it does matter that this skater is black, Do you know of any others? It matters just like it does for others e.g. Swedes, Norwegians, Russians, Asians, Americans, Canadians etc.

Alex


OK, you say it matters, but you haven't told me why. Why should it NOT matter to whites or yellows that they are the colors they are, but it SHOULD matter to blacks that they are the color they are?

Sorry if I don't understand, but I've never thought of myself as a color except one time when five big black guys said they were going to kill me. It mattered then, but I don't think there are a bunch of white guys trying to kill this black skater.


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#337017 - 2010-02-19 22:22:24 Re: Shani Davis - jazzman of the ice [Re: karl]
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Originally Posted By: karl
Originally Posted By: Liz
But if you are dancing to a different tune, then you shouldn't expect others to dance on eggshells around you. For someone who claims to be mature and independant and not caring what other's think, he and his mom sure run around a lot "proving" this. Plus, their empathy for other people's struggles are extremely shallow, but they want everyone to take notice of theirs? Things that make you go hmmmmmmm.


I love you, Liz, for noticing something other than the politically correct. Does it seriously matter what color this skater is? If it matters to some people, I have to wonder, "Why?"
Karl, Will you love me too if I notice something that's not PC?--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------he's got a girl's name!

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#337028 - 2010-02-19 22:45:46 Re: Shani Davis - jazzman of the ice [Re: karl]
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"OK, you say it matters, but you haven't told me why."

It's because there are no other black skaters of his caliber - period! It's his uniqueness as an athlete not a statement about racism in America.

Please correct me if I'm wrong about this but if you are the only only one of your kind to do anything, I think that matters and makes you very special!

And your comment about being threatened to be killed is a logical non sequitur to say the least!

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#337043 - 2010-02-19 23:29:28 Re: Shani Davis - jazzman of the ice [Re: abelisle]
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he's got a girl's name!


That's what made Mr. Davis so tough...his daddy gave him a "girlie" name.

I'd like to have half of his drive, though. Nothing would stop me from completing any tasks that I started.

Saxophones and jazz are OK to listen to in small doses. I prefer the drones and rhythms of the sitar and drums as background music.
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#337047 - 2010-02-19 23:41:00 Re: Shani Davis - jazzman of the ice [Re: abelisle]
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Registered: 2005-07-15
Posts: 7601
Originally Posted By: abelisle
"OK, you say it matters, but you haven't told me why."

It's because there are no other black skaters of his caliber - period! It's his uniqueness as an athlete not a statement about racism in America.

Please correct me if I'm wrong about this but if you are the only only one of your kind to do anything, I think that matters and makes you very special!

And your comment about being threatened to be killed is a logical non sequitur to say the least!

Alex


He's an ATHLETE. Why act like he's the only black athlete that ever won a gold medal???? You act as if this was a life and death situation. Good grief.

p.s.
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Please correct me if I'm wrong about this but if you are the only only one of your kind to do anything, I think that matters and makes you very special!
"one of your kind" sounds racist to me the way you are using the phrase...
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#337071 - 2010-02-20 07:30:49 Re: Shani Davis - jazzman of the ice [Re: Liz]
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Originally Posted By: Liz
But if you are dancing to a different tune, then you shouldn't expect others to dance on eggshells around you. For someone who claims to be mature and independant and not caring what other's think, he and his mom sure run around a lot "proving" this. Plus, their empathy for other people's struggles are extremely shallow, but they want everyone to take notice of theirs? Things that make you go hmmmmmmm.

For Liz:






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#337072 - 2010-02-20 07:39:39 Re: Shani Davis - jazzman of the ice [Re: abelisle]
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We don't need affirmative action in sports. Let the best man win.


Shani's not Johann Olav Koss, but he's good.

Now back to our regular programming,



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#337073 - 2010-02-20 07:42:15 Re: Shani Davis - jazzman of the ice [Re: rudywoofs]
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Rudy is sounding good cool1






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