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I know many of you arrive at these topics, as do I, via the "Active Topics" option in the menu bar and so may bypass the statement of the rule both in the main Forums menu and at the top of the topics list of the Original Thoughts forum. BUT that excuse is most useful for newbies. Most of you who seem consistently doing the quote box routine here have been around long enough to know the rule by now. And the "Active Topics" menu option does clearly identify the specific forum in which each listed topic is found. Please pay attention to that.



And for the record, this is a great topic for this forum, Alex. I like it and will dig into the old brain for a few thoughts later when I have more time.

OK. Back to your regularly scheduled programing...

Carry on!

Tom

I think every one knows instinctively a difference between good and bad.

with that, we we are naturally carnal so our thoughts will be self centered all the time. then again, i dont know if this would be a question if God wasnt. We would be animals and acting as such. all things would be for self.

and atheist, regardless what they believe or lack thereof, it is not by their own power that they dont murder and steal. plus they secretly believe so they're nice and obedient just to be on the safe side.

my aunt once said that if you dont believe you might as well do every thing that you want to do. screw the law and otherwise because you'll only live once. its the fact that we can't prove His existence that keeps alot of us under foot. besides, what shame is it in hoping for better? i accept the promise and i personally want it in full.

Hmmm, not an easy question to answer. Its hard to separate my predisposed way of thinking in answering the question.

Can I live in way that is best for myself and others, I would hope so, because of the desire to survive. I would hope rational thinking is still a priority. If I am in a relationship and I do something to the other person that changes it from satisfactory to unsatisfactory, I should be able to recognize that and make the correct choice to return that relationship that benefits both of us.

To me 'being' good is different from doing what is 'right'. I prefer the latter. Doing what is 'right' has immediate and delayed rewards.

Atheists can be moral, law-abiding people without believing in God. Sheesh..

Let's not even begin to believe we could do any good thing without God. Atheists who live moral lives do so because, even though they don't officially believe in God, they see the beauty of His law and abide by it.

Unless we are ready to trash the Bible right now all we need to do is read the history of how wicked men become when they throw off the constraint of God.

the OP of this thread was about having NO GOD EXISTING.

BTW, Satan can do good things too.

Yes, I'm describing a scenario of no God existing. You could kiss everything you love goodbye. The thoughts of men and women would be only evil continually, since that's where they got to WITH GOD EXISTING. Unless, of course, you believe God causes evil. If you believed that you could convince yourself that we are more righteous than God.

There would not necessarily be evil everywhere if there was no God. That assumes that there is also no Satan. I believe mankind is inherently decent and would make his own laws and have morals similar to what we have with God.

BTW, you are not supposed to quote in this thread, as per moderator instructions.

Great point Pam, I never thought of that, that if there was no GOD then there wouldn't be a satan either.

Well, good grief. There wouldn't be a you or a me, either.