HEY ALL

JUST another thought

GOD gave the laws----morals----stardards to ADAM AND EVE

NOAH I am sure was taught these same laws---
morals----stardards..... it was NOAH and his wife and
NOAH's 3 sons and their wife's that repopulated the earth

I am sure that they taught their offspring these same
laws----morals----stardards


so to make a long story short
all laws----morals----stardards had to come from GOD


again just thinking here


dgrimm60

Don't forget dgrimm that even though both came from Abraham, he really didn't do much training of Ismael after a certain time. But you can still tell that many of the health rules (laws) that the jews practice are also being practiced by the Arabs. But just like the christians they wanted to distants themselves from the Jews.

pk

dgrimm don't forget that Methuselah lived right up to the time of the flood. So yes you are correct about them orally passing on all the things that were learned from A&E.

pk

Hmmmm, aren't we wondering off topic here?

COASPEN

how are we wondering off topic?????


dgrimm60

A suggestion, start another thread about the belief that Man couldn't have survived w/o a moral law from God.

This thread is supposed to be about YOUR way of life w/o a God. We have a lack of originality going on!!

CYBERGUY

I think it is hard to separate the 2 thoughts


dgrimm60

My ethical views are based on reason and empathy with the goal of maximizing joy and minimizing suffering. I believe that we are all connected and therefore whatever we do to others is going to affect us as well in some way.

Rather than focusing on what is "right" and "wrong" I think it is more useful to see what is balanced. I find this a much better system in the complex world we live in because no rule or law can ever hope to cover every situation.

I also believe there is an intuitional awareness that becomes available when we tell ourselves the truth, become open to our own humanity, and when we abandon attempts at meaning through ego gratification.

I have come to all of these concepts through living life, observation, and experiences of trial and error. I cannot claim that it is the "best" way, but in my life experience, it has been the most successful at maximizing joy in my life and reducing suffering.

To me, that is a far more convincing awareness of well being than any claims of Divine revelation ever offered.

Some good, worthwhile thoughts, cardw. Looks like you've done a lot of deep thinking about life.

I'd be interested in knowing who some of your favorite writers are or what books you've gotten the most out of.

I read quite a lot, but it's only theory to me until I try it out. If it doesn't work in real life then it's not much use to me other than a curiosity.

The books that have really helped me move forward are

Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl
Healing the Shame that binds you by John Bradshaw
Training in the Art of Loving: The Church and the Human Potential Movement by Gearld and Elizabeth Jud
Why am I afraid to tell you who I am? by John Powell
Honest to Jesus by Henri Nouwen
A letter to a Christian Nation by Sam Harris
The Road Less Travelled by Scott Peck
Tao Te Ching
The Zen Teachings of Jesus by Kenneth Leong
A Grief Observed by C.S. Lewis
Doubt: A History: The Great Doubters and Their Legacy of Innovation from Socrates and Jesus to Thomas Jefferson and Emily Dickinson by Jennifer Michael Hecht
Healing Ancient Wounds: The Renegade's Wisdom by John Barnes
Living Buddha, Living Christ by Thich Nhat Hanh and Elaine Pagels
Pathways to Bliss: Mythology and Personal Transformation by Joseph Campbell
The Power of Myth with Joseph Campbell and Bill Moyers
Waking the Tiger by Peter Levine
The Big Book

and many others...These are the ones I can remember right now..