#316601 - 2010-01-02 00:58:27
Re: Lesson 1 (1st 2010) By Their Fruits
[Re: Gerry Cabalo]
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Just tagging on.
Good fruit. No fruit. Bad fruit.
Fruit inspectors? no, bible student. so the question puzzles me since the bible is so clear.... 
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2Ti 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
1Jn 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
Joh 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
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#316604 - 2010-01-02 01:03:15
Re: Lesson 1 (1st 2010) By Their Fruits
[Re: Woody]
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Today's lesson had a good question I will post here for all to see. I would appreciate hearing what you think:
Imagine two folks: One is an SDA who knows and believes all the doctrines - state of the dead, Second Coming, 1844 and so on. This person, is mean, harsh, judgmental and unloving. There's another person, who while professing faith in Christ, has rejected all these teachings, accepting what we would deem as theological error. Yet, this person is kind forgiving, loving and nonjudgmental everything the "orthodox" SDA isn't. Though of course, we don't know hearts, if you had to guess which one is closer to the kingdom of God, whom would you choose and why? What does you answer imply about what you deem is important in Christianity?
Don't blame me for this question. Pastor Richard O'Ffill is the author. Blame him. o'ffill said something to the effect that conservatives get real mean when their cherished beliefs are questioned. his forum. i was a member there til i got fed up watching it in action. oh what a minute, isnt that what happens here, also? lol.
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2Ti 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
1Jn 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
Joh 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
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#316716 - 2010-01-02 13:29:12
Re: Lesson 1 (1st 2010) By Their Fruits
[Re: Woody]
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Today's lesson had a good question I will post here for all to see. I would appreciate hearing what you think:
Imagine two folks: One is an SDA who knows and believes all the doctrines - state of the dead, Second Coming, 1844 and so on. This person, is mean, harsh, judgmental and unloving. There's another person, who while professing faith in Christ, has rejected all these teachings, accepting what we would deem as theological error. Yet, this person is kind forgiving, loving and nonjudgmental everything the "orthodox" SDA isn't. Though of course, we don't know hearts, if you had to guess which one is closer to the kingdom of God, whom would you choose and why? What does you answer imply about what you deem is important in Christianity?
Yeah, I've seen/heard that line many times, somehow giving me the feeling that all doctrine-adhering people and SDAs in particular are mean, harsh, judgmental & unloving, while the non-doctrinal people are kind, forgiving, loving, and non-judgmental. "Everything the orthodox SDA isn't."
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#316720 - 2010-01-02 13:32:20
Re: Lesson 1 (1st 2010) By Their Fruits
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Just tagging on.
Good fruit. No fruit. Bad fruit.
Fruit inspectors? no, bible student. so the question puzzles me since the bible is so clear....
Just playing the devil's advocate, since inspecting fruit is not politically/theologically correct these days.
You're ok I'm ok is in.
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#317244 - 2010-01-03 16:36:17
Re: Lesson 1 (1st 2010) By Their Fruits
[Re: shermancox]
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I don't think it's possible to produce no fruit at all. Like it or not, our actions are producing "fruits" that others are learning by. I don't think the point of this lesson is necessarily the harvest, but the planting... a kind of "reap what you sow." In fact the quarterly even states that we're not focusing on how to be more like the "fruit" attributes, but that in loving God and doing His will, these fruits will naturally harvest.
Edited by klrmom (2010-01-03 16:42:49)
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#317303 - 2010-01-03 18:41:46
Re: Lesson 1 (1st 2010) By Their Fruits
[Re: Gerry Cabalo]
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Now you're talkin' Gerry. I can finally say that I agree with you praise God. Yes. I think "you're ok I'm ok" I don't appreciate your theology ... but you are still okay. God loves all of humanity. He loves each of us so much that He died for us and would have died for even one sinner. If more of us had this theology ... even this forum would be a much better and more pleasant place to be.
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#317307 - 2010-01-03 18:44:57
Re: Lesson 1 (1st 2010) By Their Fruits
[Re: Gerry Cabalo]
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Yeah, I've seen/heard that line many times Praise God. The more we see it the better. And there must be something to it if it made it into our official Sabbath School Lesssons. We need to pay heed. God is trying to speak to us.
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