#316408 - 2010-01-01 19:47:46
Re: Lesson 1 (1st 2010) By Their Fruits
[Re: Stewart (SDA)]
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I can appreciate that. We are known by our fruit. The apostle Paul says to watch our speech. That is why God should tend to our fruit. I ask God all the time to search my soul and bring to my mind what is not right. So that I can deal with that.
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#316409 - 2010-01-01 19:50:49
Re: Lesson 1 (1st 2010) By Their Fruits
[Re: rudywoofs]
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Sometimes I think it would just be our way of life. We would not know any different. That is if we were all in the Garden and there was no sin.
I have heard that sometimes people who study love will inevitably end up find hate. The dance of good and evil.
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#316411 - 2010-01-01 19:57:26
Re: Lesson 1 (1st 2010) By Their Fruits
[Re: shermancox]
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Learning to take it to Jesus
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It would appear that the distinction between the two is kind of artificial. Can we really have no fruit and not have bad fruit? no fruit would be the priest, etc., who passed by the hurt man on the road. we can make our own present day pictures of what illustrations Jesus could use today. so no fruit, to me, would be all the opportunities we have to do good and instead do nothing. bad fruit would be all the times we have opportunities to do good and instead do bad. thats how i see it. I like this conversation because I think it gets at the heart of the lesson. The question, I think we are dancing around at this point is "what is the fruit of the Spirit?" It seems that you are calling no-fruit not doing what is right and bad-fruit doing what is wrong. It would appear therefore that good-fruit is doing what is right. However, according to my understanding of the fruit, it is not any actions at all, instead it is the characteristic of a Spirit-Led life. Certainly these are manifested in actions like picking up the man on the side of the road, but they are "love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance" not actions. It seems as though the fruit is about who you are. This really places the emphasis on God's need to change us to have this fruit. It is not natural to "be" like this. I think this is a key component in this lesson and all quarter long, what is the nature of the fruit of the spirit? Is it primarily actions? Forgive my clumsy use of plural versus singular tense...I am trying to maintain the fruit as singular meaning that this is a package deal, but failing. i see your point, up to a point. :) but "goodness" and "temperance" are actions, in fact it is rather hard not to see the fruit as actions, hopefully from the heart and for the right reasons. i do agree that what is in the heart decides what our fruit is, as pointed out by someone else, yes we can do for others for the wrong reasons, but yes, i see fruit as revealed in our actions, good or bad, or lack of good.
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2Ti 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
1Jn 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
Joh 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
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#316415 - 2010-01-01 20:02:37
Re: Lesson 1 (1st 2010) By Their Fruits
[Re: Poppyseed]
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Learning to take it to Jesus
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I ask God all the time to search my soul and bring to my mind what is not right. So that I can deal with that. i like that thought. :)
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2Ti 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
1Jn 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
Joh 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
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#316490 - 2010-01-01 22:22:40
Re: Lesson 1 (1st 2010) By Their Fruits
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Just tagging on.
Good fruit. No fruit. Bad fruit.
Fruit inspectors?
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#316499 - 2010-01-01 22:38:37
Re: Lesson 1 (1st 2010) By Their Fruits
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Today's lesson had a good question I will post here for all to see. I would appreciate hearing what you think:
Imagine two folks: One is an SDA who knows and believes all the doctrines - state of the dead, Second Coming, 1844 and so on. This person, is mean, harsh, judgmental and unloving. There's another person, who while professing faith in Christ, has rejected all these teachings, accepting what we would deem as theological error. Yet, this person is kind forgiving, loving and nonjudgmental everything the "orthodox" SDA isn't. Though of course, we don't know hearts, if you had to guess which one is closer to the kingdom of God, whom would you choose and why? What does you answer imply about what you deem is important in Christianity?
Don't blame me for this question. Pastor Richard O'Ffill is the author. Blame him.
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#316506 - 2010-01-01 22:48:15
Re: Lesson 1 (1st 2010) By Their Fruits
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I never "blame" the lesson's author for any of the thought questions in the S.S.Quarterly. Because Clifford Goldstein's editorial hand is seen in every single page of those lessons.
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#316546 - 2010-01-01 23:27:59
Re: Lesson 1 (1st 2010) By Their Fruits
[Re: Woody]
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Today's lesson had a good question I will post here for all to see. I would appreciate hearing what you think:
Imagine two folks: One is an SDA who knows and believes all the doctrines - state of the dead, Second Coming, 1844 and so on. This person, is mean, harsh, judgmental and unloving. There's another person, who while professing faith in Christ, has rejected all these teachings, accepting what we would deem as theological error. Yet, this person is kind forgiving, loving and nonjudgmental everything the "orthodox" SDA isn't. Though of course, we don't know hearts, if you had to guess which one is closer to the kingdom of God, whom would you choose and why? What does you answer imply about what you deem is important in Christianity?
Don't blame me for this question. Pastor Richard O'Fill is the author. Blame him. It is a good question Redwood. I would say the non-SDA, I'd say he's living up to all the light that he knows. Even thought the other guy is an Adventist, doesn't necessarily mean that he is a christian. Just because we might know all the doctrines and have no love we are nothing per Christ. pk
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