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#273910 - 2009-09-12 12:27:10 Anyone want to talk about the Sabbath School Lesson for this past week
Woody Online   th_yap2
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What did you think of the Lesson Study this week?

Personally I thought it had some trouble. Great topic. But the author did seem to struggle. I think he was trying to appease both sides of Adventism.

However .... I did appreciate Tuesday's Lesson on Salvation especially this part:

Quote:
The means of salvation is Christ's blood (1 John 1:7; 5"6.8); that is His atoning sacrifice (1 John 2:2,4:10). The Cross is not mentioned in 1 John directly. However,, blood and atoning sacrifice point to the Cross. It is not the example of Jesus that saves us, as important as that is. It is His death. And yet, His example calls us to walk as He did (1 John 2:6)


This clearly explains the Gospel. What think you?
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#273914 - 2009-09-12 12:58:43 Re: Anyone want to talk about the Sabbath School Lesson for this past week [Re: Woody]
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Originally Posted By: Redwood
What did you think of the Lesson Study this week?
Personally I thought it had some trouble. Great topic. But the author did seem to struggle. I think he was trying to appease both sides of Adventism.

I was just wondering what is meant here. My first impression is that you are speaking of faith and works. Is that accurate?
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#273916 - 2009-09-12 13:00:46 Re: Anyone want to talk about the Sabbath School Lesson for this past week [Re: oldsailor29]
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I don't desire to sidetrack the lesson with that comment. But, I would love to hear your thoughts on the lesson and in particular the quote that I provided.
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#273921 - 2009-09-12 13:37:39 Re: Anyone want to talk about the Sabbath School Lesson for this past week [Re: Woody]
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Since I don't seem to have any takers ... I am going to have to try to stir the pot a little more. You see since I don't get to go to sabbath School and discuss the lesson ... you guys are my only hope.

Okay ... what did you think of Thursdays lesson about 'absolute truth' and relativism?

I definately found myself on the opposite side from 'absolute truth' as defined.

Relativism was defined as 'having to decide what is truth and what is error'. Yes the Bible is the absolute truth but we have to decide what is truth and what is error from the Bible. And each and every one of us come to a different conclusion.

There IS an absolute Truth ... but we won't know what that is until we see His face and have eternity to study and understand it.

I found this curious:

The author states: "Truth is both what we intellectually grasp and what we practice".

???? Really? Can someone explain that to me? My brain is a little slow.
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#273923 - 2009-09-12 13:38:51 Re: Anyone want to talk about the Sabbath School Lesson for this past week [Re: Woody]
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Originally Posted By: Redwood
What did you think of the Lesson Study this week?

I did appreciate Tuesday's Lesson on Salvation especially this part:

Quote:
The means of salvation is Christ's blood (1 John 1:7; 5"6.8); that is His atoning sacrifice (1 John 2:2,4:10). The Cross is not mentioned in 1 John directly. However,, blood and atoning sacrifice point to the Cross. It is not the example of Jesus that saves us, as important as that is. It is His death. And yet, His example calls us to walk as He did (1 John 2:6)


This clearly explains the Gospel. What think you?


I think The blood of Jesus is best understood as He referred to it, as His teachings. By eating His flesh and drinking His blood, Accepting His teachings, we become cleansed inside. I think this is a sanctuary cleansing process.

Jesus made atoning sacrifice throughout His entire life. His entire life as God in the flesh was a sacrifice. And yes,the wages of sin is death. Jesus paid the infinite price for all with His death.
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#273925 - 2009-09-12 13:40:26 Re: Anyone want to talk about the Sabbath School Lesson for this past week [Re: oldsailor29]
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Good Comment. Thanks. I agree.
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#273928 - 2009-09-12 13:44:55 Re: Anyone want to talk about the Sabbath School Lesson for this past [Re: Woody]
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Sorry Redwood I can't help you as far as the lesson goes. But I can keep you company here waiting for someone to answer you. Our SS class does not study the lesson quarterly. But isn't there a statement in the Bible about truth. I'm going to look and find it and see if its what I'm looking for and than let you know.

pk
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#273929 - 2009-09-12 13:46:36 Re: Anyone want to talk about the Sabbath School Lesson for this past [Re: pkrause]
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thumbsup

That's cool.
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#273943 - 2009-09-12 14:09:52 Re: Anyone want to talk about the Sabbath School Lesson for this past [Re: Woody]
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The statement I am looking for doesn't seem to be in the Bible, I'm now wondering if it was a statement by EGW?

pk
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#273948 - 2009-09-12 14:18:31 Re: Anyone want to talk about the Sabbath School Lesson for this past [Re: pkrause]
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Originally Posted By: pkrause
Sorry Redwood I can't help you as far as the lesson goes. But I can keep you company here waiting for someone to answer you. Our SS class does not study the lesson quarterly. But isn't there a statement in the Bible about truth. I'm going to look and find it and see if its what I'm looking for and than let you know.

pk


There is a sabbath school quarterly on line.
http://ssnet.org/qrtrly/eng/09c/less11.html
What was the quotation about truth. Maybe I have some idea where it can be found.
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#273989 - 2009-09-12 16:22:57 Re: Anyone want to talk about the Sabbath School Lesson for this past [Re: oldsailor29]
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Originally Posted By: Redwood
The author states: "Truth is both what we intellectually grasp and what we practice".


Knowing something is not quite the same as practicing, IMO.

Knowing something with the head or intellectually and following through are two different things.

"Oh, there is a man drowning! Someone help! He is right there just beyond my reach." One looks around for someone to help and forgets there is a rope at their feet and it's attached to a life buoy; or perhaps the pool net is right there hanging on the wall.

You know the man will most certainly will drown but unless you do your part, it's like holding his head down.
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#274006 - 2009-09-12 16:51:51 Re: Anyone want to talk about the Sabbath School Lesson for this past [Re: ChildofChrist]
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I think that helps Child of Christ. Thank you. But I am still stuck with the thought that Truth remains the Truth whether we practice it or not.
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#274030 - 2009-09-12 19:18:24 Re: Anyone want to talk about the Sabbath School Lesson for this past week [Re: Woody]
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Originally Posted By: Redwood
What did you think of the Lesson Study this week?

Personally I thought it had some trouble. Great topic. But the author did seem to struggle. I think he was trying to appease both sides of Adventism.

However .... I did appreciate Tuesday's Lesson on Salvation especially this part:

Quote:
The means of salvation is Christ's blood (1 John 1:7; 5"6.8); that is His atoning sacrifice (1 John 2:2,4:10). The Cross is not mentioned in 1 John directly. However,, blood and atoning sacrifice point to the Cross. It is not the example of Jesus that saves us, as important as that is. It is His death. And yet, His example calls us to walk as He did (1 John 2:6)


This clearly explains the Gospel. What think you?


The term "atoning sacrifice" is very VERY interestig in 1John 2:2 NIV.

I usually despise all things NIV -- but here is a case where NIV actually gets something RIGHT that almost every other translation gets wrong!

The word often translated "propitiation" - is wrongly translated to mean "appeasement" as if Christ "appeased the angry God so that we might be spared".

But that is not the Bible Gospel. Rather in the Gospel we have atonement which in the NT is "God so LOVED that HE GAVE His only begotten Son".

An entirely different concept from "Christ so sufferred that God decided not to wipe us out".

in Christ,

Bob
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#274099 - 2009-09-12 23:57:16 Re: Anyone want to talk about the Sabbath School Lesson for this past [Re: Woody]
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Originally Posted By: Redwood
...still stuck with the thought that Truth remains the Truth whether we practice it or not.


Ah, does the tree that grows in the forest come crashing down, just because there is no ear to hear it?
To know good and not do it, is evil.
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#274107 - 2009-09-13 00:26:11 Re: Anyone want to talk about the Sabbath School Lesson for this past [Re: ChildofChrist]
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Originally Posted By: Redwood
...still stuck with the thought that Truth remains the Truth whether we practice it or not.

Originally Posted By: ChildofChrist

Ah, does the tree that grows in the forest come crashing down, just because there is no ear to hear it?
To know good and not do it, is evil.


Don't you mean,"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" But I don't believe it has a lot to do with objective truth. I agree with Redwood. Truth remains the same. But I have a different definition of truth by comparison to a lot of people. I believe monogamy is a cultural thing, but music isn't. IOW whether or not a man has more than one wife is only a rule of culture, but church music should never lend itself to dancing.
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