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#301578 - 2009-11-26 06:36:27 Re: Jesus was Post Modern [Re: John317]
cardw Registered: 2002-02-22 Posts: 3578 Loc: CA	Originally Posted By: John317 I guess since there is disagreement, it shows that there is nothing to it, because in things that are certain, such as the law and science, we all know that people are just about unanimous, right? No, it indicates that Christian claims of certainty are unlikely. I didn't say that there was nothing to it. And I never said that law and science were unanimous. I have said OVER and OVER that they are UNCERTAIN. How many times do I have to repeat myself? You are the one who needs things to be certain, but you have no proof that Christianity is certain. Quote: Motives have nothing to do with how people see things, and besides, everyone is motivated about the same when it comes to the Bible. Also, everyone wants to know truth no matter what the consequences and therefore they are willing to sacrifice anything they need to in order to do what they know is right. I didn't say this either. The only way you seem to be able to defend Christianity is with slander and exaggeration. That is dishonest. Motives are not an indicator of truth. People can have the best intentions, but often the fool creates more harm than the tyrant. Suicide bombers give their lives for what they believe in but we don't call them right simply because they are willing to give their lives. Quote: Christians are pretty much the only ones on earth who believe illusions and want people to accept things that are untrue and irrational. All of the above are common knowledge and beyond rational dispute, right? Again, I didn't say this. And it really doesn't matter. If Christians believe in illusions, it doesn't matter if there are thousands of groups who believe in illusions. Christians still believe in illusions. Smoke and mirrors is all you have. _________________________ Rich http://tiny.cc/CM2j8
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#319649 - 2010-01-09 22:08:59 Re: Jesus was Post Modern [Re: cardw]
abelisle Seeker Registered: 2002-08-13 Posts: 1509 Loc: Bronx, NY, USA	Hi folks, Since I'm a new poster here (hi Pete!) I'm not going to engage with the discussion of the definitions of postmodernism or how it articulates with Adventism or whether Jesus was a postmodern I would rather posit that Jesus was definitely an iconoclast and in being so, clearly a very likable person by most postmoderns. If being a destroyer of tradition or classically defined as a breaker of images, then Jesus symbolically peeled away the veneer of all the authoritative narratives that existed in his culture because He wasthe living narrative. But most importantly as a resident of the "Big Apple" I'm surrounded by postmoderns and after much consideration, I think the best and easiest way to interact with them is through health reform. I realize that E.G. White emphasized its importance quite a bit, but it seems we only give it lip service now. What do most people want which is also very hard to purchase? Good health This consuming desire transcends the validity of the seminal narrative. It even transcends the accuracy of prophecy.It's too bad that many of us and especially our leaders don't look the part. Imagine this scenario: someone walks into your church and sees a church full of healthy, vibrant, very fit people. Don't you think they'll be thinking to themselves: "Gee, I'd like to look like that!" You have now fully engaged their attention. Health reform has opened the door. Postmoderns can't quibble with that. You are healthy or you're not. Alex _________________________ We are our worst enemy - sad but true. http://abelisle.blogspot.com
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#319653 - 2010-01-09 22:14:55 Re: Jesus was Post Modern [Re: abelisle]
pkrause Registered: 2000-03-24 Posts: 27349 Loc: Deltona,FL,USA	Originally Posted By: abelisle Hi folks, Since I'm a new poster here (hi Pete!) I'm not going to engage with the discussion of the definitions of postmodernism or how it articulates with Adventism or whether Jesus was a postmodern I would rather posit that Jesus was definitely an iconoclast and in being so, clearly a very likable person by most postmoderns. If being a destroyer of tradition or classically defined as a breaker of images, then Jesus symbolically peeled away the veneer of all the authoritative narratives that existed in his culture because He wasthe living narrative. But most importantly as a resident of the "Big Apple" I'm surrounded by postmoderns and after much consideration, I think the best and easiest way to interact with them is through health reform. I realize that E.G. White emphasized its importance quite a bit, but it seems we only give it lip service now. What do most people want which is also very hard to purchase? Good health This consuming desire transcends the validity of the seminal narrative. It even transcends the accuracy of prophecy.It's too bad that many of us and especially our leaders don't look the part. Imagine this scenario: someone walks into your church and sees a church full of healthy, vibrant, very fit people. Don't you think they'll be thinking to themselves: "Gee, I'd like to look like that!" You have now fully engaged their attention. Health reform has opened the door. Postmoderns can't quibble with that. You are healthy or you're not. Alex A good post Mr. Belisle. :) pk _________________________ phk "And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country." John F Kennedy "Government is the enemy, until you need a friend". Bill Cohen Many people consider the things government does for them to be social progress but they regard the things government does for others as socialism. Earl Warren
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#319759 - 2010-01-10 11:04:59 Re: Jesus was Post Modern [Re: abelisle]
Woody Swiss n Swedish American Registered: 2006-12-09 Posts: 27094 Loc: A citizen of Heaven	Good Post Alex. Personally ... I prefer churches that have people with healthy hearts. I think that is the most important body part. _________________________ May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
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