#242472 - 2009-05-12 05:29:02
Re: If there's no marrying....
[Re: David-Kingsley]
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Personally, I do not believe there will be any sexual relationships in Heaven as we know them today. Jesus clearly said that there will be no marriage in Heaven in Matt 22:29, and that we as human beings will be as angels are today. Do angels recreate themselves?
... So why are we clinging to these temporary things and conceptions?
Completely agree with you. Gen. 1: 28 seems to indicate that God commanded man and woman to reproduce until the earth was filled, and then, since unfallen people would not have died, they would have been able to stop having children. We do not know when God would have decided the earth was filled, but once they stopped reproducing, I imagine they would have stopped having sexual intercourse. Our glorified bodies won't be like the bodies we have now. I'm pretty sure we won't have to use the toilet or dig a hole for the feces and urine. Our bodies will probably use every bit of food we put in them. But if we do go to the bathroom it will be a far more pleasant experience than it is now. Who knows? I'm just thinking how unlikely it is that God had to install bathrooms for Enoch, Elijah and Moses-- oh and for Jesus too, since He is still a man. It could also be that our bodies won't have reproductive organs since they won't be needed. But one thing we can be absolutely certain of is that if God went to all the trouble to save us, He will make sure we have everything we need to be totally happy and fulfilled for all those trillions and trillions of trillions of ages we will spend with Him.
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#243585 - 2009-05-15 21:20:52
Re: If there's no marrying....
[Re: David-Kingsley]
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David-Kingsley,
Your quotation of Matt 22:29 does not talk about marriage in heaven. You might be referring to the verse 30. Even that, it does not address on the marriage in heaven. The verse talks about the marriage in resurrection not in heaven. I do not believe that resurrection is same as heaven.
Won
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#243604 - 2009-05-15 22:14:33
Re: If there's no marrying....
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Go google "marriage in heaven". There are many interesting posts. Check out one post written by an SDA, sdaglobal.org. YOu will find very interesting, and Matt. 22:30 is explained.
Won
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#243624 - 2009-05-15 23:13:01
Re: If there's no marrying....
[Re: David-Kingsley]
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So why are we clinging to these temporary things and conceptions? Thank you God for fooling us all and wow! what a great joke it was! I am so glad that we know everything about the hereafter and can make dogmatic statements. I reckon if Adam and Eve were to have never sinned....you would have neutered them? Oh, yeah we do that with animals so I guess it just stands to reason that we are no better...same level of creation and all that. Reckon we are the end all to everything you desired and have no further need for 'sons and daughters'. Your game, so you can change the playing field anytime you desire. Male, female? Yeah, now that you mention it...it does sound like a mistake.
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#243681 - 2009-05-16 09:02:15
Re: If there's no marrying....
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I believe God doesn't make mistakes, but I believe that man did to begin with and still do. And because of this, I think God apparently is forced to "change" His plans somtimes... Of course, to begin with He already knew that man would fall, etc. Apparantly (to us humans), the creation of man was a "mistake", wasn't it? But God turned and will turn this tragic event into something glorious and even better (for instance, the universe is now eternally secure thanks to our grieving experience of sin).
Matt 22,30: "For etter oppstandelsen verken gifter de seg eller blir giftet bort; nei, de er som engler i himmelen."
This is what the Norwegian Bible says, and the term applied here is "... etter oppstandelsen ..." ("... after the resurrection ..."). To me, it is quite obvious that we are speaking of the eternal life to come...
Why would anyone marry each other "in [the] resurrection"? How would this be possible in the first place? It will last as a long as a "twinlking of an eye", won't it? As soon is we hear the voice of the Archangel, Jesus, bidding all the saints of the Earth to rise, we are resurrected and we are drawn towards Him onto the fiery cloud.
The point is that Jesus ought to have the supreme, deepest and tenderest love from every single living being throughout the vast universe, especially from the redeemed throng, the church, His bride. He simply more than deserves it.
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#243741 - 2009-05-16 15:24:54
Re: If there's no marrying....
[Re: David-Kingsley]
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David-Kingsley,
Have you ever thought that most translated Bibles are not accurate whether it is in German, Norsk, or English. It would be more accurate if one goes to Hebrew which I do not have nor understand. We should consider in what circumstance did Jesus this statement. This will give us better understanding of the Bible. The N.E.B. states that "at the resurrection men and women do not marry, but like angels in heaven." By the way, my kona is a Norwegian and she doe not believe life after, perio.
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#249126 - 2009-06-09 03:56:31
Re: If there's no marrying....
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I believe there is no lack of clarity in the Bible on this subject, the words of Jesus are plain and easy to grasp. Ellen White also expresses her convictions according to the biblical truth in Maranatha: "There are men today who express their belief that there will be marriages and births in the new earth, but those who believe the Scriptures cannot accept such doctrines. The doctrine that children will be born in the new earth is not a part of the "sure word of prophecy." The words of Christ are too plain to be misunderstood. They should forever settle the question of marriages and births in the new earth. Neither those who shall be raised from the dead, nor those who shall be translated without seeing death, will marry or be given in marriage. They will be as the angels of God, members of the royal family. {Mar 369.1}
I would say to those who hold views contrary to this plain declaration of Christ: Upon such matters silence is eloquence. It is presumption to indulge in suppositions and theories regarding matters that God has not made known to us in His word. We need not enter into speculation regarding our future state. . . . {Mar 369.2}
"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season." Do not bring to the foundation wood, and hay, and stubble--your own surmisings and speculations, which can benefit no one. {Mar 369.3}
Christ withheld no truths essential to our salvation. Those things that are revealed are for us and our children, but we are not to allow our imagination to frame doctrines concerning things not revealed. {Mar 369.4}
It is presented to me that spiritual fables are taking many captive. . . . To all who are indulging these unholy fancies I would say, Stop; for Christ's sake, stop right where you are. You are on forbidden ground. {Mar 369.5}
The Lord has made every provision for our happiness in the future life. But He has made no revelations regarding these plans, and we are not to speculate concerning them. Neither are we to measure the conditions of the future life by the conditions of this life."
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#249310 - 2009-06-09 22:59:23
Re: If there's no marrying....
[Re: David-Kingsley]
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Well....I have heard several talks/sermons, based on the Bible, not EGW, that have the opposite of your opinion. Not cut and dried for everyone.
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#249541 - 2009-06-10 22:13:20
Re: If there's no marrying....
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well i guess the question of GAY MARRIAGE on the New Earth is out.
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