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#250444 - 2009-06-15 21:56:02 book on death and resurrection ***
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Finally a book on the death and resurrection that really covers the topic from every possible angle. Using multiple time specifice prophecies like a GPS, the author of this study has pinpointed the precise day and year for the death and resurrection. The compellation of information makes this study by far the most objective and complete to date.

Best of all there is no speculation, just perception defined by prophecy and backed by solid historical references.

Your going to love this read.

By page 35 it gives a very credible ancient tetsimony that illustrates the current condition of salvation for the entire world including Christians. The book can be found here and it's free! usually the best things in life are!

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection.pdf

Feel free to share this with others

God Bless.
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#250527 - 2009-06-16 12:34:26 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: todd_vetter]
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Tell me more...

Who has authored this, and who is the publisher?
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#295104 - 2009-11-11 19:01:14 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: Gail]
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I am the author. I built the time line in power point presentation and converted it to PDF. There is no copy write on the information so that it can be free to share, just as all truth from God should never cost so much as a penny since God gives freely.

It's basically a walk through the darkness of Christian history. What it reveals is the darkness of the mystery and why many are still a part of that darkness even if they do not believe they are. Sin in ignorance still required a sacrifice according to the laws of Moses. That means sin in ignorance still leads men to death. They must learn how to not bare false witness if they are to take the gospel to the world. This can only be done in spirit and in truth. So far the Christian world has brought many bible versions that change as history plays out. They have also brought denominational divisions and various degrees of speculations all built on the same book that keeps changing depending on the version.

If any page of this study appears to illustrate any bible testimony or historical testimony untruthfully, please bring this to my attention since it's not my intention to bare false witness against a living God who speaks to those who choose to be of the truth.

Due to added information page 37 is the page of interest mentioned in my original post.

God Bless


Edited by todd_vetter33 (2009-11-11 20:45:07)

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#295117 - 2009-11-11 19:21:33 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: todd_vetter]
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Originally Posted By: todd_vetter
Finally a book on the death and resurrection that really covers the topic from every possible angle. Using multiple time specifice prophecies like a GPS, the author of this study has pinpointed the precise day and year for the death and resurrection. The compellation of information makes this study by far the most objective and complete to date.

Best of all there is no speculation, just perception defined by prophecy and backed by solid historical references.

Your going to love this read.

By page 35 it gives a very credible ancient tetsimony that illustrates the current condition of salvation for the entire world including Christians. The book can be found here and it's free! usually the best things in life are!

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection.pdf

Feel free to share this with others

God Bless.


Sure gave yourself a "build-up" without telling anyone before Gail asked who wrote the thing....seems sort of deceitful to me.
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#295123 - 2009-11-11 19:30:36 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: rudywoofs]
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You are welcome to present or illustrate any page of the study where I speak deceitfully. In fact I encourage this for spiritual learning. It causes us to validate why we believe differently even though all of Christianity builds on the same book. (bible)

If I have spoke deceitfully or falsely regarding the content of the book. Please bare witness to my falsehood so that I may repent if I have done so.


Edited by todd_vetter33 (2009-11-11 19:41:09)

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#295172 - 2009-11-11 20:52:04 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: todd_vetter33]
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so are you going to have this published

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#295187 - 2009-11-11 21:04:49 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: dgrimm60]
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If I published it, then people would have to pay for it. Where in the plan of salvation does it say we must pay for truth with anything more than personal sacrifice by abstaining from Sin? Repentance washes the temple clean and the spirit gives life once the temple is ready to house the spirit of God.

How can the temple be cleansed if men make a book their word of God instead of receiving the word of God from God?

The study is a listing of historical objective truths. Though it testifies of God, mankind must still come to God if they are to have life.

I will not be publishing the book other than the manner in which you see it now. It's actually to big to publish due to its elelctronic form; it has many links to many references and additional studies for the topics presented on particular pages.

For the main site where the study is hosted: http://www.thedeathandresurection.com

There you can find many bonus studies not listed in the main time line.

God Bless




Edited by todd_vetter33 (2009-11-11 21:07:48)

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#295259 - 2009-11-11 22:25:15 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: todd_vetter33]
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WELL that is a go point

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#303945 - 2009-12-02 20:04:35 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: dgrimm60]
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A New discovery illustrating even further why God's word is a light to the world if it is correctly defined as prophecy. This is going to shake the foundation of the Christian world.

I'll be adding this to the time line very soon. This testimony below is the perception of a second to third century bishop regarding the Anointing in Bethany Event and where he places this event in the week Prior to Christ's Crucifixion based on the Gospel testimonies as they appeard in his time period.

Link ref For following historical testimony
http://www.bombaxo.com/didascalia.html

"on the tenth of the moon, on the second day of the week, (p. 92) the priests and elders of the people assembled and came to the court of Caiaphas the high priest; and they took counsel to apprehend Jesus and put him to death: but they feared, saying: Not in the festival, lest the people make a tumult [Mt 26.3-5]; for all men were hanging upon Him [Lk 19.48], and they held him for a prophet [Mt 21.46] on account of His miracles of healing which He did among them. But Jesus was that day in the house of Simon the leper [Mt 26.6], and we together with Him, and He related to us that which was about to happen to Him. But Judas went out privily from us, thinking that he would evade our Lord, and went to the house of Caiaphas where the chief priests and elders were assembled, and said to them: What will ye give me, and I will betray Him to you when I have found an occasion? But they appointed [[188]] and gave him thirty pieces of silver [Mt 26.15]. And he said to them: 'Make ready young men armed, because of His disciples, that if He go forth by night to a desert place I may come and lead you.' And they made ready the young men and prepared to seize Him. And Judas was watching, when he might find him an occasion to betray him".

If Christ died on a Friday in the Year of His Crucifixion, The testimony as illustrated above regarding the anointing in Bethany would have taken place on the second day of the week for the tenth of the moon or Ten Nissan. See page 9 of the time line that is link referenced at the end of this examination for example. What is clear by this testimony is that it is placing the anointing in Bethany on the Evening of the tenth day of the first month since it's in reference to the upcoming Passover/crucifixion. For the possibility of a Friday crucifixion this would have been a Sunday Night (Gregorian time). This in turn according to the book of John would have placed the triumphal entry on a Monday if it happened the day after the anointing in Bethany. This illustrates that the Palm Sunday tradition had not yet been established by the 3rd century councils that defined the tenet view. The Third century Christians had a great deal of confusion based on the written testimonies that existed in their time.

All through the Didascalia Apostolorum the Bishop appears to be quoting from Matt, Mark, Luke and John yet he had this perception of understanding which is very different and not consistent with the traditional perceptions shared by much of Christianity today who build their understanding on what should be the same gospels if they never changed by the hand of scribes during the first three centuries where no solid accountability can be given or verified.

If Christ died on a Wednesday in 30 AD, (see page 12 of time line) what we have is a piece of historical testimonial evidence corroborating that the anointing in Bethany occurred on the evening of the tenth day of the first month, (Ten Nissan). If Christ was crucified in 30 AD, the anointing in Bethany would have been the Evening of the Sabbath just as the Gospel of the twelve presents which gives credibility that the Gospel of the twelve predates the Didascalia Apostolorum which is said to have been written in the second to Third century prior to the 3rd and 4th century councils. The four day prophecy of Exodus 12 is able to then illustrate that this Bishop who wrote Didascalia Apostolorum was not baring solid true witness regarding the illustrated events when he claimed it was the Second day of the week. Exodus 12 prophecy and the historical evidence of its fulfillment also highlights that the Gospel of John is not baring true witness by claiming the anointing in Bethany occurred 6 days before the Passover. It exposes that Matthew and Mark are also not baring true witness by illustrating that the anointing in Bethany occurred two days before the Passover.

The Gospel of the twelve, though placing the anointing in Bethany with the correct perception of time for when the event occurred (Evening of the Sabbath) appears to skip the day time period for the event that would have occurred on the Sabbath day following the anointing in Bethany by stating that the triumphal entry occurred on the First day of the week. Later in the Gospel of twelve’s testimony of events that followed up to the Crucifixion, someone from our Christian past added in a day transition in the middle of the Cleansing of the Temple testimony, otherwise the Gospel of Twelve would have portrayed Jesus Crucifixion on a Thursday.

What I find most interesting is that the bishop appears to be using the book of Matthew as it appeared in His day (specifically chapter 26 as it appears in our day) to explain his perception of understanding. The oldest know copies of the canonized gospels can only be allegedly dateable to the 3rd to 4th century. Chapter 26 of Matthew as it appears to us today begins with a time marker by stating it was Two days before the Passover, (12 Nissan) then illustrates the same events that the bishop was trying to portray occurring two days earlier than the gospels of Matt and Mark currently portray. If the Gospel of Matthew and Mark which state a uniform perception of time for these events were never changed or altered by Scribes in the third or fourth century, this Bishop, whose testimony is said to predate the oldest preserved Christian gospel texts would not be presenting this perception of understanding which goes very contrary to the perception of time presented by our bibles gospels today regarding the anointing in Bethany event. This is clear evidence that the bible gospels we have today are not what were available to the Third century Christian prior to the 3rd and 4th century councils.

One thing that is very clear is that this man is a man of intelligence and reason who was familiar with the Jewish concept of time regarding an evening and morning making a day. It’s very clear that he inherited written lies which caused him to build an understanding on lies. We today are an end result of this which gives us evidence of this below Jeremiah prophecy in fulfillment since many make the bible the Word of God instead of the voice of truth that those of the truth should hear as was spoken by Jesus to Pilate.

Jeremiah 16: 19-20
19 O LORD, my strength and my fortress, My refuge in the day of affliction, The Gentiles shall come to You From the ends of the earth and say, “Surely our fathers have inherited lies, Worthlessness and unprofitable things.” 20 Will a man make gods for himself, which are not gods?

The time line at the below link illustrates very clearly how to use OT Prophecy as a light to the confusion of Christian written recorded history. See pages 9 and 12 in comparison to the Bishops testimony. The mystery of Babylon is soon to be solved when the born again process (the true gospel of the Christ) begins being taken to the world in truth through the Spirit that gives life, not the letter which kills. 2 Corinthians 3:4-6

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection.pdf


Edited by todd_vetter33 (2009-12-02 20:20:42)

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#303949 - 2009-12-02 20:13:01 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: todd_vetter33]
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well this is interesting

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#314607 - 2009-12-28 15:30:58 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: todd_vetter]
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I have recently discovered a way to prove with out a shadow of doubt that the original Passover of Exodus 12 occured on a Wednesday. There are time specific markers present in Exodus 16 which identify the Seventh day Sabbath in the second month of the exodus from Egypt. I compared the time specific testimony to a Wednesday Passover chart and A Friday chart. What is discovered is that the testimony in Exodus 16 only lines up correctly if the original passover occured on a Wednesday.

That research can be found at this link.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pd...20Wednesday.pdf

It's even further prophetic validation that the Crucifixion of Jesus occured on a Wednesday if Jesus fulfilled all things in the laws of moses concerning the passover Lamb.

I hope you are anjoying the study.

Blessings,


Todd M Vetter

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#315568 - 2009-12-30 18:24:12 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: todd_vetter]
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It's is said that some are having trouble with the link not working for them.

The information at the link is in PDF format. To view the information you will need an adobe acrobat viewer software. This can be downloaded for free and with out spyware at this link from Adobe.

http://get.adobe.com/reader/

Again I hope you are all enjoying the studies. As I find new information i'll be sharing at this site. Feel free to share this information with others who share an interest.

God Bless


Edited by todd_vetter33 (2009-12-30 18:24:50)

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#317069 - 2010-01-03 00:58:56 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: todd_vetter]
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If you have opened the study in the past and are viewing it again, Be sure to hit the refresh button to view any new updates. Recently I added the testimony of a second to third century Bishop regarding where he placed the Anointing in Bethany based on the book of Matthew as it existed in his day. It's quite different from how the book of Matthew portrays the event in our day which has been the case since the third and fourth century councils.

He places the Anointing in Bethany event on the evening of the tenth day of the first month. That is interesting since the Gospel of twelve places this event on the same day of you have the correct year for the crucifixion.

Hope you are enjoying the study. remember that even though it can testify of God, you must still come to God if you are to have life. The Law of God in simplicity shows the Way that Jesus taught.

God Bless


Edited by todd_vetter33 (2010-01-03 00:59:52)

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#317076 - 2010-01-03 01:19:00 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: todd_vetter33]
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Originally Posted By: todd_vetter33
I have recently discovered a way to prove with out a shadow of doubt that the original Passover of Exodus 12 occured on a Wednesday. There are time specific markers present in Exodus 16 which identify the Seventh day Sabbath in the second month of the exodus from Egypt. I compared the time specific testimony to a Wednesday Passover chart and A Friday chart. What is discovered is that the testimony in Exodus 16 only lines up correctly if the original passover occured on a Wednesday.

That research can be found at this link.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pd...20Wednesday.pdf

It's even further prophetic validation that the Crucifixion of Jesus occured on a Wednesday if Jesus fulfilled all things in the laws of moses concerning the passover Lamb.

I hope you are anjoying the study.

Blessings,


Todd M Vetter


That argument holds no water. Christ was crucified on Friday.

Luk 23:53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
The preparation day is always Friday. The sabbath (7th day) drew on.
Luk 23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
Its clear they rested on the 7th day sabbath.

the next verse says:
Luk 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

Which is Sunday.


I would be very careful in tampering with days and times that cannot be changed, do you really want that responsibility?

God Bless! Steve
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#317410 - 2010-01-03 21:06:51 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: Steve Billiter]
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Originally Posted By: Steve Billiter
Originally Posted By: todd_vetter33
I have recently discovered a way to prove with out a shadow of doubt that the original Passover of Exodus 12 occured on a Wednesday. There are time specific markers present in Exodus 16 which identify the Seventh day Sabbath in the second month of the exodus from Egypt. I compared the time specific testimony to a Wednesday Passover chart and A Friday chart. What is discovered is that the testimony in Exodus 16 only lines up correctly if the original passover occured on a Wednesday.

That research can be found at this link.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pd...20Wednesday.pdf

It's even further prophetic validation that the Crucifixion of Jesus occured on a Wednesday if Jesus fulfilled all things in the laws of moses concerning the passover Lamb.

I hope you are anjoying the study.

Blessings,


Todd M Vetter


That argument holds no water. Christ was crucified on Friday.

Luk 23:53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
The preparation day is always Friday. The sabbath (7th day) drew on.
Luk 23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
Its clear they rested on the 7th day sabbath.

the next verse says:
Luk 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

Which is Sunday.


I would be very careful in tampering with days and times that cannot be changed, do you really want that responsibility?

God Bless! Steve





And besides I think it was mentioned before somewhere. The Jews at that time were celebrating Passover on 2 days. One for the coming out of Eygpt and the other one they started whem they were in Babylon I believe.

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#317898 - 2010-01-04 21:41:37 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: Steve Billiter]
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The last two posters obviously did not review the link in my original Post which clearly illustrates why a Friday Passover was not a possibility.

You have to remember that Jesus stated that He fulfilled all things in the laws of Moses concerning the Passover Lamb. The Friday Crucifixion concept leaves a great deal of Prophecy unfulfilled.

Hope you will take the time to view the facts presented on every page of this link. By page 37 you will come to understand why the entire Christian world is of the spirit of Anti-christ regardless of Denomination.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection.pdf

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#317902 - 2010-01-04 21:46:13 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: Steve Billiter]
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Originally Posted By: Steve Billiter
Originally Posted By: todd_vetter33
I have recently discovered a way to prove with out a shadow of doubt that the original Passover of Exodus 12 occured on a Wednesday. There are time specific markers present in Exodus 16 which identify the Seventh day Sabbath in the second month of the exodus from Egypt. I compared the time specific testimony to a Wednesday Passover chart and A Friday chart. What is discovered is that the testimony in Exodus 16 only lines up correctly if the original passover occured on a Wednesday.

That research can be found at this link.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pd...20Wednesday.pdf

It's even further prophetic validation that the Crucifixion of Jesus occured on a Wednesday if Jesus fulfilled all things in the laws of moses concerning the passover Lamb.

I hope you are anjoying the study.

Blessings,


Todd M Vetter


That argument holds no water. Christ was crucified on Friday.

Luk 23:53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
The preparation day is always Friday. The sabbath (7th day) drew on.
Luk 23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
Its clear they rested on the 7th day sabbath.

the next verse says:
Luk 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

Which is Sunday.


I would be very careful in tampering with days and times that cannot be changed, do you really want that responsibility?

God Bless! Steve





a preparation day always precedes a holy convocation day where no work is to be done as well. The first day of the passover and the last day of the week long passover celebration are holy convocation days where no work is to be done. That means a preparation day preceeds the 15th of Nissan and the 21st of Nissan.


The 15th of Nissan does not fall on a Saturday every year just as the 14th of Nissan does not fall on a friday every year. Only your ignorance of Jewish Laws which jesus claimed to fulfill states that a preparation day only occurs on a friday.

My studies also illustrate Jesus coming out of the tomb on Sunday (the first day of the week) So im not sure what point you were trying to make other than to illustrate for everyone here that you did not read the study I have to share. And you are relying on traditional rhetoric to defend a traditional vew that is not only prophetically incorrect but makes God out to look like a liar because men do not belive the witness that God gave his son.

Learn more about the Jewish Laws and you will understand better why you are currently of the spirit of Anti-christ. Sowing Discord among the world instead of delivering souls.

Proverbs 6:19
A false witnesses who speaks lies, and one who sows discord among brethren.

dis•cord: (d s kôrd ) n.. 1. a. Lack of agreement among persons, groups, or things. b. Tension or strife resulting from a lack of agreement; dissension.

For unity in Christ and solid truth, one must speak the truth about God, from God, if they are to bare good fruit and deliver souls.

Proverbs 14:25
A true witnesses delivers souls, But a deceitful witness speaks lies.

Are you a member of a denomination or are you a member of spirit and truth? For this you must be born again and of the truth. Those of the truth hear God's voice and can do all that the Christ did and more. is this you?


Edited by todd_vetter33 (2010-01-04 23:38:50)

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#317940 - 2010-01-04 23:47:37 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: Steve Billiter]
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Originally Posted By: Steve Billiter
Originally Posted By: todd_vetter33
I have recently discovered a way to prove with out a shadow of doubt that the original Passover of Exodus 12 occured on a Wednesday. There are time specific markers present in Exodus 16 which identify the Seventh day Sabbath in the second month of the exodus from Egypt. I compared the time specific testimony to a Wednesday Passover chart and A Friday chart. What is discovered is that the testimony in Exodus 16 only lines up correctly if the original passover occured on a Wednesday.

That research can be found at this link.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pd...20Wednesday.pdf

It's even further prophetic validation that the Crucifixion of Jesus occured on a Wednesday if Jesus fulfilled all things in the laws of moses concerning the passover Lamb.

I hope you are anjoying the study.

Blessings,


Todd M Vetter


That argument holds no water. Christ was crucified on Friday.

Luk 23:53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
The preparation day is always Friday. The sabbath (7th day) drew on.
Luk 23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
Its clear they rested on the 7th day sabbath.

the next verse says:
Luk 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

Which is Sunday.


I would be very careful in tampering with days and times that cannot be changed, do you really want that responsibility?

God Bless! Steve



Just like a good Catholic Christian to present half the truth to defend a traditional perception. Catholic Tradition and doctrine is engrained in Adventist tradition more than the Adventist realizes.

What you also failed to mention with this gospel of Half truth is how the women prepared the spices before the Seventh day Sabbath if they did not purchase the spices until after the Sabbath had past.

Mark16:1
"Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him."

See pages 14-24 of the link provided which covers the 4 bible half truths concerning this event.

The other problem you have to work out is that two gospels state that Evening had come before Joseph even removed Christ from the Cross. So how did the women watch the burial that happend before the sun had set if Jesus was not taken off the cross according to two gospels before Evening had come.

You may want to view the recommended pages of the link study before making yourself look silly.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection.pdf


Edited by todd_vetter33 (2010-01-04 23:54:49)

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#322619 - 2010-01-16 18:42:36 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: todd_vetter33]
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I made a simplified time chart which breaks down in full the testimony found in Exodus 16 as well as numbers 33 since it has information to contibute to the travels of Israel from Elim to the wilderness of Sin. Some have voiced confusion over some bible versions portraying the 15th day of the second month from the time of the exodus as a day that Isreal was traveling from Elim to the wilderness of sin. The reason for the confusion is due to bad puctuation, poor translation and missing information that is further elaborated on in the book of numbers.

I also included some screen shots from Google earth which mark the locations of the Camp sites for this chapter of study so that one can see the distance traveled between each encampment.

All needed information to understand why the original Passover Lamb was slain on a Wednesday can now be found at this link. if you have google earth with a high definition monitor, you can view the locations in detail for yourself.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/Exodus%2016%20confirms%20Wednesday%20Passover%20Theory.pdf

God Bless

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#323510 - 2010-01-18 13:30:55 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: todd_vetter33]
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The trouble with bible translations of Exodus 16: 1-2 Does it cause men to tell a lie built on half the truth?

In my studies I illustrate all the needed history to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday. A strong supporting argument to this fact, is the full chapter of Exodus 16 which identifies the 15th day of the second month as a seventh day Sabbath rest, as well as the 22nd day of the second month from the Exodus as a Seventh day Sabbath. When plotting these two days on a Hebrew seven day week calendar chart and counting back the correct number of days to determine the 14th of Nissan, one discovers that the original Passover Lamb was also slain on a Wednesday.

The problem with the bible translations of Exodus 16:1-2 is that it illustrates the 15th day of the second month from the exodus as a travel day, so it could not therefore be a Sabbath day of rest according to current bible translations. There is a possibility that the verse has been altered by scribes and translators to give an incorrect perception of what it was intended to portray. We are going to discover that possibility to be a reality.

We are going to examine the Exodus 16:1-2 verse from every English bible version as seen on www.biblegateway.com to see if there is consistency between what is presented, or to see if there is inconsistency. If there is inconsistency we are going to discover why the inconsistency exists. The version of the bible that each verse was taken from is not important since many claim the bible is the unchanging perfect word of God and without Error. In this document we will see if there is truth to that tradition of understanding.

Exodus 16:1-2: bible verses which specifically state Israel departed Elim on the 15th day.

On the fifteenth day of the second month after they had left Egypt, the whole company of Israel moved on from Elim to the Wilderness of Sin which is between Elim and Sinai. The whole company of Israel complained against Moses and Aaron there in the wilderness.

On the fifteenth day of the second month after the Israelites had escaped from Egypt, they left Elim and started through the western edge of the Sinai Desert [a] in the direction of Mount Sinai. 2There in the desert they started complaining to Moses and Aaron,

Exodus 16:1-2: bible verses which specifically state Israel arrived in the wilderness of sin on the 15th day.
Then the whole community of Israel set out from Elim and journeyed into the wilderness of Sin,[a] between Elim and Mount Sinai. They arrived there on the fifteenth day of the second month, one month after leaving the land of Egypt. 2 There, too, the whole community of Israel complained about Moses and Aaron.

The whole Israelite community left Elim and came to the Desert of Sin, which was between Elim and Sinai; they arrived there on the fifteenth day of the second month after they had left Egypt.2 Then the whole Israelite community grumbled to Moses and Aaron in the desert.

The whole community of Israel started out from Elim. They came to the Desert of Sin. It was between Elim and Sinai. They arrived there on the 15th day of the second month after they had come out of Egypt. 2 In the desert the whole community told Moses and Aaron they weren't happy with them.

Exodus 16:1-2: verses which imply they departed from Elim and arrived in the wilderness of sin on the 15th day
And they journeyed from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came to the Wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after they departed from the land of Egypt. 2 Then the whole congregation of the children of Israel complained against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness.

1 The whole Israelite community set out from Elim and came to the Desert of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after they had come out of Egypt. 2 In the desert the whole community grumbled against Moses and Aaron.

Then they set out from Elim, and all the congregation of the sons of Israel came to the wilderness of (A)Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on (B)the fifteenth day of the second month after their departure from the land of Egypt. 2The whole congregation of the sons of Israel (C) grumbled against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness.

1THEY SET out from Elim, and all the congregation of Israel came to the Wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after they left the land of Egypt. 2And the whole congregation of Israel murmured against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness,

And they took their journey from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came unto the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after their departing out of the land of Egypt. 2And the whole congregation of the children of Israel murmured against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness:

They set out from Elim, and all the congregation of the people of Israel came to the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after they had departed from the land of Egypt. 2And the whole congregation of the people of Israel (B) grumbled against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness,

And they took their journey from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came unto the Wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after their departing out of the land of Egypt. 2And the whole congregation of the children of Israel murmured against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness.

And they took their journey from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came unto the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after their departing out of the land of Egypt. 2 And the whole congregation of the children of Israel murmured against Moses and against Aaron in the wilderness:

1And they journey from Elim, and all the company of the sons of Israel come in unto the wilderness of Sin, which [is] between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month of their going out from the land of Egypt. 2And all the company of the sons of Israel murmur against Moses and against Aaron in the wilderness;

And they journeyed from Elim, and the whole assembly of the children of Israel came into the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after their departure out of the land of Egypt. 2And the whole assembly of the children of Israel murmured against Moses and against Aaron in the wilderness.

The entire Israelite community departed from Elim and came to the Wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after they had left the land of Egypt. (A) 2 The entire Israelite community grumbled (B) against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness.

1 The whole Israelite community set out from Elim and came to the Desert of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after they had come out of Egypt. 2 In the desert the whole community grumbled against Moses and Aaron.

The whole Israelite community set out from Elim and came to the Desert of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after they had come out of Egypt. 2 In the desert the whole community grumbled against Moses and Aaron.

If God is not the author of confusion, why does our bible present what could be confusion for this event? Some would say there is no confusion and that it is obvious they made the trip in one day. Are they telling the solid truth? I don’t ask this question without good reason which we will cover soon. There are three questions we must ask ourselves to even determine if confusion is present. Take the time to answer these questions to yourself to see if you will answer them correctly based on your current perceptions.

1. Did Israel begin and complete the journey from Elim to the Wilderness of Sin in a single day on that 15th day of the second month?
2. Did Israel really leave Elim on the 15th day?
3. Did Israel really arrive at Wilderness of Sin on the 15th day?

If you answered yes to any of the three questions you could be wrong on all three due to a Hebrew punctuation Error that was made long after the text was originally written. When this testimony was punctuated, the early scribe adding in the punctuation was unaware that this verse was missing a vital portion of time specific truth that would have caused him to punctuate differently.

The reason I asked the questions you were sure to answer incorrectly is due to the testimony found in numbers 33:10-12 which is specific to the journey taken and has this to say about the time it took for Israel to travel from Elim to the Wilderness of Sin.


Numbers 33: 10 They moved from Elim and camped by the Red Sea. 11 They moved from the Red Sea and camped in the Wilderness of Sin. 12 They journeyed from the Wilderness of Sin and camped at Dophkah.

When we realize that there is more testimony regarding duration of time specific to this event, it becomes clear that one or more of the bible version testimonies translated for Exodus 16:1-2 are not telling a truth. We now know it’s physically impossible for this trip to have been made from Elim to the Wilderness of Sin all in the same day if they first went in the opposite direction of the wilderness of sin and made camp. So now which verse do you believe to be telling a truth? Is it the verses which state they left Elim on the 15th day? Is it the verse that says they arrived in the wilderness of sin on the 15th day? It clearly cannot be the majority of translations which imply the trip lasted only one day.

Knowing that punctuation did not exist in the original Hebrew text at the time they were recorded can clear up this issue. Knowing that bad punctuation has led to what is obviously confusion in translation for when they left Elim and arrived at the wilderness of sin will also be helpful. One fact that is clear, they could not have left Elim on the 15th day and arrived in the wilderness of sin on that same 15th day if they first camped by the Red Sea after leaving Elim and then proceeded to the Wilderness of Sin

When you combine the numbers 33 travel testimony with the Exodus 16: 1-2 testimony since they are in regards to the same point in history giving greater detail of the event, you come up with a story that looks much like this below verse. Take note of the punctuation in red color font which is still as you will see it in the bible versions for this verse.


They journeyed from Elim, and camped by the Red Sea. They moved from the Red Sea
and all the congregation of the children of Israel came to the Wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai and camped , on the fifteenth day of the second month after they departed from the land of Egypt. 2 The whole congregation of the children of Israel complained against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness.

Now we can see a bigger picture of what actually transpired regarding the amount of time that elapsed from departure from Elim, to the arrival at the Wilderness of Sin. The question to ask at this point due to punctuation is this; Did Israel arrive at the wilderness of sin on the 15th day of the second month making that day a travel day, or is the 15th day testimony specific to the events that followed their arrival and encampment for the rest of chapter 16 regarding the complaint of hunger issued by the children of Israel? If specific to the complaint of hunger, then the story would look like this. The Red punctuation has been swapped.

They journeyed from Elim, and camped by the Red Sea. They moved from the Red Sea and all the congregation of the children of Israel came to the Wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai and camped. On the fifteenth day of the second month after they departed from the land of Egypt , 2 the whole congregation of the children of Israel complained against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness.

By changing the Comma after “and camped” to a period and the period after “Land of Egypt” to a Comma, it can be seen that the testimony regarding the 15th day of the second month was in reference to the Complaint of hunger and not the travel. If it was in reference to the travel, it has led Christian translators to confusion for this issue causing them to insert false testimony into bible versions.

It becomes clear that Hebrew scribes when adding punctuation to this important verse of testimony did so in Error by using a perception that was built on half the truth since the other half of the truth was found in Numbers 33: 10-12 which clearly would have effected how this verse was to be punctuated. When one reads this verse in Hebrew, it closely resembles the English translations which imply that they left Elim and arrived in the Wilderness of Sin on the same 15th day. We know from numbers 33:10-12 that this simply just is not true if they first stopped by the Red Sea. Would the scribes have punctuated differently had they made the connection about the stop at the Red Sea? That question you will have to ask a Jewish Rabbi.

The accuracy of the translation of this verse in concert with the rest of chapter 16 validates that the 15th day of the second month from the Exodus was in fact a Seventh day Sabbath rest after camp was established in the wilderness of Sin. This is important for having prophetic validation concerning what day of the week the Original Passover Lamb was slain since Christ claimed to fulfill all things in the Laws of Moses. This next link elaborates further on Exodus 16 the full chapter and contains the mapped locations of Elim, Wilderness of Sin and the mountain of Moses.


http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/Exodus%2016%20confirms%20Wednesday%20Passover%20Theory.pdf


Edited by todd_vetter33 (2010-01-18 13:31:37)

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#334567 - 2010-02-13 19:06:12 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: todd_vetter33]
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I made a more siplified version of the study that illustrates the trouble with translations of Exodus 16. That information can now be found at the following link.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pd...%2016%201-2.pdf

since the study of Exodus 16 deals primarily on how recordings of men can lead to a false perception of truth. I wanted to also share this study on the topic of Pilate and jesus. Turns out Jesus answers pilate many things even though some gospels would have you belive Jesus answered Pilate nothing.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/Pilates%20questions.pdf

This study is important because it clearly illustrates where man will find the solid truth when they are of the Truth (Law).

Hope you enjoy the studies.

God Bless

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#334580 - 2010-02-13 19:25:10 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: todd_vetter33]
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I could not get in to the links

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#334582 - 2010-02-13 19:27:22 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: dgrimm60]
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I think JESUS did answer Pilate it was HEROD that
HE did not answer to

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#341644 - 2010-03-06 12:23:13 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: dgrimm60]
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Do you have PDF viewer?

http://get.adobe.com/reader/

This link will take you to a free adobe reader software that will allow you to open the links that I have shared.

Very respectfully,

Todd

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#341645 - 2010-03-06 12:29:21 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: todd_vetter]
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With the Passover comming up I'm hoping this study will be widely shared in the churches to share an objective understanding as to how Christ fulfilled the time specific prophecies concerning the passover as well as the 3 days and 3 nights.

I hope all who view the studies enjoy the Christian history and the perception shared that can be developed when prophecy is used as a light to the world of Christian tradition in comparison to jewish traditons that Jesus claimed to fulfill.

God Bless.

Here is the study once again.


This first link gives testimonial evidence from the books of Moses that the original Passover Lamb was slain on Wednesday.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/Exodus%2016%20confirms%20Wednesday%20Passover%20Theory.pdf


This next link is a time line that displays all the historical testimony needed to show that Jesus fulfilled the original passover Lamb time specific prophecies in every way.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection.pdf

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#342535 - 2010-03-09 10:17:55 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: todd_vetter33]
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I do not agree with the wednesday killing of JESUS

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#343693 - 2010-03-12 20:13:34 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: dgrimm60]
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So what you are saying is that you don't belive Jesus fullfilled all things in the laws of moses and the prophets even though Jesus made this claim?

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#347895 - 2010-03-27 12:02:19 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: todd_vetter33]
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I have added several new pages to the main time line in an attempt to help educate Christians on how the Passover law works in concert with Gregorian time. I also combined the study that illustrates the original passover Lamb died on a Wednesday(confirmed fact).

Hope you like the cleaned up format and extra added pages.

Feel free to share with friends since it is the season for this topic and not one false claim can be found on pages 1-36 which considers all factors that are specific to correctly defining the week prior to death to the resurrection.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection.pdf

God Bless

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#350852 - 2010-04-08 21:24:04 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: todd_vetter]
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I have added many new pages and insights to the study found at this link. Hope you are enjoying the read on the prophetic time line of the last week of Christ's life as well as the time in tomb.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection.pdf

Some of the new information is the second page which gives more than enough evidence to illustrate that the original passover Lamb was slain on a Wednesday.

I also made more color coded text comparisons of verifiable ancient texts which have Jesus in the tomb for the full duration of 3 days and 3 nights.

If you have viewed the link in the past, Be sure to hit your re-fresh button after clicking the link to see the new updates.

God Bless


Edited by todd_vetter33 (2010-04-08 21:27:27)

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#352454 - 2010-04-15 12:17:38 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: todd_vetter33]
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Some have said that the typing in the study is a bit too small and hard to read on their monitors. The study does print very well and legibly.

Because there is no copy write you are welcome to print off copies and share with friends.

If you would prefer the Power point format of this study you can E-mail me at todd_vetter33@yahoo.com for for power point attachment which can be modified by you if there are any key points you do not agree with and would like to omit before sharing with friends. My goal when making this study was to make it objective and take into consideration all prophetic factors to correctly define the time line of events for this special event in earth history.

God Bless

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#388230 - 2010-08-21 08:50:43 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: todd_vetter33]
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I have recently revised and updated this short study on Exodus 16:1-2 as a lead in study to the death and resurrection topic since it hightlights the Errancy that most men claim does not exhist in the bible. The evidence presented for exodus 16:1-2 is undisputable and makes for a perfect lead in to understanding the concepts presented by the death and resurrection study which you will find link referenced at the end of this study. If you have viewed this study in the past, be sure to hit your refresh button after opening it to gain access to the latest version of this short study.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pd...%2016%201-2.pdf

God Bless

Todd M. Vetter


Edited by todd_vetter33 (2010-08-21 08:53:58)

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#418805 - 2011-01-09 17:59:53 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: todd_vetter33]
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Hope everyone who is reading the study is enjoying the perceptions presented with every page. Anyone have any ideas how to make the study more objective. What are your reviews of the study book so far? If you have viewed the study in the past, be sure to refresh your browswer when you open the link to ensure you are viewing the most up to date version of the study as it is still a work in progress and I have added some new information since my original post.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection.pdf



Edited by todd_vetter33 (2011-01-09 18:01:28)

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#418817 - 2011-01-09 19:02:57 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: todd_vetter33]
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Thanks Todd. Did you design that entire 65 page study yourself? Monumental I would say. One could never read this in a sitting, far less make an objective assessment. So, even skimming each page, I'm not sure what you're trying to convey - too overwhelming. But here is a rough guess:

1) The standard death/resurrection schedule of Christ is obscured by poor translation/error in the NT. Careful study of the Jewish calendar and reference to other gospels will make this clear.

2) This will harmonize with Daniel 7 once all is understood.

3) Pope John Paul 2 will return as the final antichrist.

4) All denominations are fallen.

5) One world government is the assured goal of the antichrist power.

This may be a pathetic summary - Would you care to present a brief synopsis and conclusion: how this research will affect God's people in the last days?

Thanks, Gordon

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#418875 - 2011-01-10 00:22:34 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: Gordon1]
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In short, If the true worshippers of God are in spirit and in truth (Truth being somthing greater than the dirversity of human speculations) and we are to have the testimony of Jesus if we keep the commandments of God. Then the testimony of Christians carrying the gospel of Jesus to the world would have to be truth from God through the spirit of truth. Why is that missing from the Christian world of today?

The Theory towards the end regarding John Paul is simply to illustrate the divirsity of human though concerning the many denominational speculations of Revelation 17. It's not implying that the anti-christ will be John Paul II but that if there is a Satan, He could use the Image of JOHN Paul.

If We as a Christian world have gotten the Death and resurrection Topic of understanding incorrect for the duration of Christian history then it gives credible evidence to the posibility that we are all spiritual decendants of the Spirit of Anti-christ that went out into the world. Simply because we are lacking the Christ within (annointing spirit of God that Even Jesus received on the day of His baptism).

In a nutshell... that is basically the gist of it. Essentially we have enherited a collection of half truths mixed with lies in concert with traditions that keep our souls cut off from what could be the true salvation that jesus taught by example.

It's all only theory... Until we have true word of God from God in spirit and in truth. We will always have truth according to human perception which varries from one denomination to the next all built on the ancient fragments of testimony we choose as truth to define our perceptions.

I sure hope the spiritual famine ends soon.

I did connstruct the studies shared in an attempt to see for myself if God is even real. I use to be Catholic, Then adventist, then athiest. Now I just recognize that I am a tare growing in the field and the field is the world. Let me know if you find any Wheat... I have questions for them.

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#418885 - 2011-01-10 09:48:28 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: todd_vetter33]
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Thanks Todd,

Even if we've been walking in error for generations, there's still a possibility of reform.

Earlier champions of reform were not perfect, but walked toward the light. If you have questions, this is one place to discuss them.

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#418913 - 2011-01-10 15:19:26 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: Gordon1]
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To reform from one human perception to another is not what is going to save us... it will simply cause more denominations. It's not until the soul is united to the spirit of God that the soul is sealed, saved and able to take the Gospel of Christ to the world. otherwise we are taking half truths mixed with lies of human perception to the world and we have yet to be a true witness that delivers souls.

I guess if reform is needed, the start would be to correct the historical record concerning the crucifixion which appears to have occured on a Wednesday vs a Friday.

until mankind recieves the spirit of truth we will remain in the darkness of human perception denominationally divided and deceived to believe in God in less than "in spirit and in truth".

V/R
Todd Vetter


Edited by todd_vetter33 (2011-01-10 15:31:01)

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#434545 - 2011-04-08 14:14:20 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: todd_vetter]
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With Passover/Easter just a few days away. I wanted to repost the most up to date link to this study on the death and resurrection for your reading pleasure. It's really the only study on the net to date to illustrate enough from the ancient historical record as to how Jesus fulfilled multiple time specific prophecies when he claimed to fulfill all things in the Laws of Moses concerning him.

Hope you enjoy the study for the perceptions from history it shares.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection.pdf

The study is in PDF and one will need adobe PDF viewer to review the material. If you would like the study in Power point, you can E-mail me at todd_vetter33@yahoo.com

I'll be happy to share it with you.

God Bless


Edited by todd_vetter33 (2011-04-08 14:15:10)

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#434546 - 2011-04-08 14:24:07 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: Gordon1]
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Originally Posted By: Gordon1

Thanks Todd. Did you design that entire 65 page study yourself? Monumental I would say. One could never read this in a sitting, far less make an objective assessment. So, even skimming each page, I'm not sure what you're trying to convey - too overwhelming. But here is a rough guess:

1) The standard death/resurrection schedule of Christ is obscured by poor translation/error in the NT. Careful study of the Jewish calendar and reference to other gospels will make this clear.

2) This will harmonize with Daniel 7 once all is understood.

3) Pope John Paul 2 will return as the final antichrist.

4) All denominations are fallen.

5) One world government is the assured goal of the antichrist power.

This may be a pathetic summary - Would you care to present a brief synopsis and conclusion: how this research will affect God's people in the last days?

Thanks, Gordon



Based on my finding by using the time specific laws jesus claimed to fulfill, the crucifixion had to occur on a wedensday vs a friday for Jesus to be a son of God which he claimed to be.

Toward the end of the study the peception presented is not that John paul the second will come back. But that Satan himself may try to present himself as the return of john paul II. (this is mearely a speculation and therefor could very well be wrong). It's a perception of symbolic prophetic fulfillment based on reaserch alone and the very slight possibility that Satam will attempt this shinnanigan on the people of the world. Could only claim it to be true word of God if i received it from God through the spirit of truth.

The reson the Christian world is devided today is because they are lacking the gospel that Jesus taught. A gospel of spirit and truth. One so true that it made blind to see and cripple to walk. Christian men of today have fragment recording of the messsage Jesus taught but the fragmented recording are not the full truth one can receive if they receive the promised helper that Jesus would send in his absence from the world.

The study is worth the time to delve deeply into. It's very easy for man to be deceived to believe in god in less than in spirit and in truth. This is the case with much of Christian denominations today. Everyone is content to stop short of the goal to be sealed, receive the one true gospel of truth that can only come from God, and take the gospel to the world after the spirit.

God Bless.. Hope you are enjoying the study.


Edited by todd_vetter33 (2011-04-08 14:27:44)

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#434550 - 2011-04-08 14:54:08 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: todd_vetter]
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Your wrote in your paper:

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Christians claim the High Day of John19:31 is specific to a Seventh day Sabbath falling in conjunction with a Ceremonial Sabbath. This is merely a Christian understanding built only on the speculation that Jesus was crucified on a Friday which later became a tradition of understanding among Christians. It‘s unclear when this Christian tradition began.What is clear is that it is not an established truth by the Words of God (Something spoken by God). When the High day is mentioned in John it has( ) around the statement.This means that these words were not part of original written text and were added later by a translator.This bracketed statement and the scriptures themselves support, that this Sabbath mention occurring just after Jesus crucifixion was in fact a Ceremonial Sabbath because this was the Jewish teaching regarding High Days and the translator adding in the High Day comment was attempting to add clarity so that this day would not be confused with a Seventh day Sabbath.


As regards John 19: 31, are you referring to the phrase, "That Sabbath was a great one"?

Are you saying that this phrase was added by the translators of the King James Version? Who do you believe added it?

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#441006 - 2011-05-04 13:56:35 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: John317]
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It could have been any number of the second to third century councils who were responsible for the many verse re-writes that occured to the text mankind has in possession today. The particular phrase you quoted was authored by the translator of the bible version you took the phrase from which differs from other english translations.

The passage in quotes in the Greek Text was a later addition to the text which is why it is bracketed. Who actually added it is unknown.

This below passage is translated from a verifiable ancient text translated from Hebrew and has this to say about the Day being mentioned.

Then the Jews, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath, for that was a Paschal Sabbath, besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the two who were crucified with him.
But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs,
but one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his heart and forthwith came there out blood and water.

This next section of testimony from that same verifiable ancient text has this to say about the ammount of time Jesus was in the Tomb.

"And the women also, who came with him from Galilee, followed after, bearing lamps
in their hands and beheld the sepulcher and how his body was laid, and they made
lamentation over him. And they returned and rested the next dlay, being a high day, and on the day following they bought and prepared spices and ointments and waited for the end of the Sabbath."

This verifiable ancient text is specifically stating that Jesus was in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights where the bible gospels each independantly do not portray this since they have had testimony removed or were written specifically to defend the Catholic Christian perception of a Friday crucifixion. They had testimony removed by Roman christians to give the perception that Jesus was crucified on a Friday Vs a Wednesday.

With the sample of Text quoted one can See that Jesus would have died on a Wednesday Passover. The next Day would have been the feast of unleavened bread (holy convocation Sabbath/HIGH DAY/Paschal Sabbath)or Thursday. The very next Day where spices were perchased and prepared (preparation Day)Friday. Then the ladies would have rested on the Seventh day Sabbath since they could not prepare the body for burial due to the tomb being sealed until 3 days and 3 nights had passed by order of Pilate.

The G-12 text being referenced is verifiably ancient and gives the best time line to date that Jesus fulfilled multiple time specific prophecies.

It's the only verifiably ancient text that can be used to illustrate Jesus was chosen by the people (Triumphal Entry)on the tenth day of the month just as the original passover lamb was chosen by the people on the tenth day.

This text can be used to show Jesus not only fulfilled 3 days and 3 nights, but it can be used to show that he fulfilled the 4 day time specific prophecy conerning the passover lamb!

Very Respectfully,
Todd


Edited by todd_vetter33 (2011-05-04 14:38:12)

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#472026 - 2011-08-31 10:27:55 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: todd_vetter33]
todd_vetter33 Offline
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I guess one of my most disturbing findings while conducting this study is this:

If the four roman cannon gospels were inspired by God (a universal Christian claim), why then do they not speak according to the Law Jesus claimed to fulfill and why do they not speak according to the Testimony of Jesus (prophecy)concerning the death and resurrection time specific prophecy of 3 days and 3 nights?

In the bible it's recorded "If they speak NOT according to the law and the testimony, there is no light in them".

How then do men receive the testimony of Jesus (spirit of Prophecy). How do men become the true worshippers of God who are in spirit and in truth VS the speculation of human perception built on the words of many versions of bible translation which change, if God's word does not change, is perfect and is able to give true life (spiritual re-birth)?

These are questions i'm looking to God for a clear answer too since I have asked many men these same questions and the answers have varied tremendously. Truth from God (word of God) should be so absolute that it will make the blind to see, cripple to walk, and the deaf to hear. Even raise the dead.

This truth can only come from the spirit of truth Jesus promised would come when he departed. The reason this spirit is not present in the world is due to the prophecies that Satan would deceive the whole world and that a spiritual famine would encompass the world.

It appears we are still in that famine and global deception. Until we find every word that proceeds from the mouth of God, we as men have yet to truly live. Until then we exist in a half truth perception of existance, believing we are already alive when in reality we are deceived to believe in God, in less than in sprit and in truth.

As men we must seek the truth about God from God to end the famine/darkness of human perception if we are to receive life and wisdom from the source (GOD).

I wish you all the best of luck in the journey we are all on. As for me, I am no longer an atheist. I know why denominations exist (discord is a product of a lie). If we are to be one with Jesus who is one with God, we must receive truth from God through the spirit. Not a book that has authored the confusion of the Christian world.

These are just my thoughts which i have decided to share after 5 years of research on the topic of death and resurrection which may be greater than the Christian world currently prorogates by traditional Catholic thinking based on Catholic cannon doctrine regardless of denominational preference.

The greatest thing i have learned by conducting this study is that there is a greater truth available to mankind and it will be provided only through the spirit of truth from heaven should man learn to fulfill the law as Jesus did and taught by LIVING example.

It is said in Revelation prophecy that those who keep the commandments of God will have the testimony of Jesus. The testimony of Jesus healed the sick, made the blind to see, and the cripple to walk with a simple word directed by God since even Jesus did nothing of himself unless recevied from His God who is also our God. When we can do all that Jesus did and more, we will be true worshippers of God in spirit and in truth.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection.pdf

GOD BLESS YOU ALL!

Very Respectfully,

Todd M. Vetter


Edited by todd_vetter33 (2011-08-31 10:30:51)

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#479184 - 2011-09-26 13:54:19 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: todd_vetter]
billypk Offline
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I am going to read it, but I do agree about the deceitful start of announcing your book. I don't get the comment concerning people having to pay for a book if it's published. If there is inspiration to be had I would think God would want you to publish it and have people buy the book. You could donate the proceeds to a good cause that would spread the Gospel. It takes money to spread the Gospel. As it stands the Gospel would not get far if folks didn't publish books to sell. Red flags fly on this one. I am a skeptic by nature! :) I also find it interesting 'Confucius' statement on here then followed by a Bible verse.

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#487910 - 2011-10-25 08:59:28 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: todd_vetter]
todd_vetter33 Offline
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Should a man pay to receive the spirit of truth from God? Did Jesus charge for the words of truth he spoke to mankind who were close enough to hear?

It takes no money to share truth via the spirit of truth from God. The only cost to man should they choose to receive the true Gospel Jesus taught in spirit and in truth, which is free, is the sacrifice of the carnal nature within themselves. Should man fulfil the law as Jesus taught, they can receive a perfect spirit from God that seals them and gives truth to them to share with others FREELY.

If you are paying money for it, It's not the perfect truth of God. Simon Magus was not trying to pay money for a book from Peter. He wanted to purchase the spirit of truth that was within Peter. Money does not buy that gospel. Yet the Gospel that Jesus taught was for men to receive that perfect spirit from God within through spiritual re-birth.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection.pdf

Blessings


Edited by todd_vetter33 (2011-10-25 09:51:35)

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#488513 - 2011-10-27 16:36:05 Re: book on death and resurrection [Re: billypk]
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AND it came to pass as Jesus had been teaching the multitudes, and they were hungry and faint by reason of the heat of the day, that there passed by that way a woman on a camel laden with melons and other fruits. And Jesus lifted up his voice and cried, O ye that thirst, seek ye the living water which cometh from Heaven, for this is the water of life, which whoso drinketh thirsteth not again. And he took of the fruit, five melons and divided them among the people, and they eat, and their thirst was unquenched, and he said unto them, If God maketh the sun to shine, and the water to fill out these fruits of the earth, shall not the Same be the Sun of your souls, and fill you with the water of life? Seek ye the truth and let your souls be satisfied. The truth of God is that water which cometh from heaven, without money and without price, and they who drink shall be satisfied. And those whom he fed were one thousand men, women and children—and none of them went home ahungered or athirst; and many that had fever were healed.

Bet most Christians did not know that Jesus was a vegetarian and the last supper was a health message! It's no wonder the Christian world is starving for word of God and just don't realize they are in famine! They pay for a book that is not the water from Heaven in full truth according to the spirit that brings to rememberance all things Jesus said!

Blessings!

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