I don't think it's necessarily true that angels could not mate with humans. They can take the form of humans. Why could they not *keep* that form and mate with human women?

That, up there, in that post a few posts before mine, makes more sense to me now. I thought it was a forum for original thought! Now I get it. It's a forum for original wording. Got it! Thanks for the clarification.

well, rudywoofs, that would be a good question for the adventist spiritualists among us, since they believe angels to be "spirits" or immaterial. so does an immaterial being take on a material body?

as for me i choose to believe what i believe the bible/sop say. that the angels are material beings, that they are sexless as we will be. paraphrasing, they will neither marry nor have sex.

i cant believe God to be so cruel as to leave us sexual beings with no outlet for eternity.

i believe the angels to be in the same form as we are with detachable wings, but not of "flesh and blood". if they appeared in human form, and im sure their glory was "veiled", as was Jesus when He appeared to abraham, then it makes sense to me that they took off their wings.

the bible says in one place that flesh and blood can not inherit heaven, and in another that we will be "changed"...

who was it in the Bible who entertained angels unawares? The angels ate food. That seems to indicate a form of flesh and blood. But I could be wrong.

There are 6700 languages in the world along with possibly thousands of languages that have become extinct. This idea that these were created at the tower of babel is simply ridiculous. We can trace language trees geographically and see that there are separate hubs for language development all over the planet.

If there was a central source of separate language you would see a far different pattern of development and far more blended languages.

This is iron age reasoning to explain the world with the lack of scientific systems of inquiry.

But only if you discount the possibility of a Original Language Maker that determined an effective way to get people to disperse and inhabit the whole earth would be to create multiple languages...

Once wide dispersion of the Tower builders according to common languages was accomplished then you would see the sub-language development from the hubs of which you speak. I don't think it a reasonable conclusion that the thousands of languages we see today were created at Babel. To break up that party it would only have needed a few separate languages.

I do suspect there were some details left out. What was it a two sentence comment?

in reply to pam, i agree. the bible says flesh and blood cant inherit heaven, yet we know we will not be immaterial beings, i hope. im not sure how many adventists have more of the protestant understanding than what was the adventist view.

david either knew, or was inspired to record, the fact that angels do eat: Psa 78:24, 25.

so angels do have bodies, the same kind of bodies we will be transformed into, but we dont know what kind of bodies they have, but we do know we will eat.

paul points out the differences in flesh in man, birds, cows, fish, so that should help us understand maybe. 1Co 15:39 any meat eater could understand the point i think.

These hubs of language are too far apart to have come from a single source. We are talking about different continents, not regional migration. There are too many problems to take the tower of Babel seriously.

if one language is instantly changed into a few different ones then why would people not unite with those who spoke the same language they did and go off in different directions?

your statement would imply the different languages "evolved" from one common one over time instead of being instantly changed, at least the way i understood it.