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#247110 - 2009-05-29 22:49:47 Post Flood History
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A few months back I picked up a book from the public library that discussed Adam and his kin. A resource utilized and listed in the back was " After the Flood" by Bill Cooper (a Brit).

I requested a copy from the library loaning system but it was not available. The Library Director suggested that I order one from Amazon. I have been pleasantly surprised at the contents in the book.

Now seeing this forum listing, I am wondering if there are any more books out in circulation regarding the disburstment(sp?) of Noah's children after they left the ark?

Can anyone share titles or offer books?
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#249860 - 2009-06-12 20:26:43 Re: Post Flood History [Re: ChildofChrist]
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How about the Bible? :)
But that does sound like a good book, I'm going to check it out.

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#252431 - 2009-06-27 20:45:07 Re: Post Flood History [Re: carolaa]
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Carolaa,,,,

One gets just so much from the Scriptures and the writers are long gone. Sure, could wait to ask my guardian angel but the quesions I have now aren't followed in the Scriptures.

After the tower of Babel, how did the human race spread out. The Book focuses on the line of God's chosen and what was to be the lineage of Jesus.

If you say, if it was important, God would have inspired writers to add to it. Point is, I want to know also, where did this Child come from? What is my line back to Noah? :-)
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#252630 - 2009-06-28 19:39:48 Re: Post Flood History [Re: ChildofChrist]
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HEY CHILDOFCHRIST


I am sure that ELLEN WHITE mentions that SHEM
went to the Middle East countries-------HAM
went to the African Countries------and JAPHETH
went to the European Countries

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#253506 - 2009-07-03 22:02:30 Re: Post Flood History [Re: dgrimm60]
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I have read the SOP and the Scriptures however, I had more questions.
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#253601 - 2009-07-04 12:37:02 Re: Post Flood History [Re: ChildofChrist]
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I think ChildOfChrist, no matter how much we read, we'll always have more and more questions. Some we will probably be able to get or figure out an answer to. But others we will never know the answer till we get to heaven and are able to ask Jesus.

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#253686 - 2009-07-04 18:41:47 Re: Post Flood History [Re: dgrimm60]
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Originally Posted By: dgrimm60
HEY CHILDOFCHRIST


I am sure that ELLEN WHITE mentions that SHEM
went to the Middle East countries-------HAM
went to the African Countries------and JAPHETH
went to the European Countries

dgrimm60


I think that info is pretty much in the Bible. That's probably where EGW got it. bwink

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#253689 - 2009-07-04 18:45:51 Re: Post Flood History [Re: ChildofChrist]
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Originally Posted By: ChildofChrist
Carolaa,,,,

One gets just so much from the Scriptures and the writers are long gone. Sure, could wait to ask my guardian angel but the quesions I have now aren't followed in the Scriptures.

After the tower of Babel, how did the human race spread out. The Book focuses on the line of God's chosen and what was to be the lineage of Jesus.

If you say, if it was important, God would have inspired writers to add to it. Point is, I want to know also, where did this Child come from? What is my line back to Noah? :-)


I actually share your interest in this subject. Actually, I'm even more interested in pre-Flood history. But as for this book you recommend, how do you know it is factual? Is it based on other history books, or what?

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#253785 - 2009-07-04 21:54:12 Re: Post Flood History [Re: carolaa]
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HEY ALL


YES this would be a nice question for when we get
to heaven


dgrimm60

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#255456 - 2009-07-11 21:53:40 Re: Post Flood History [Re: carolaa]
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Actually, I'm even more interested in pre-Flood history.


The pre-Flood history is right there in the Book. AND we all know that none except Noah, his wife, three sons and their 3 wives survived on the ark. As for the population of the earth since then, the Biblical record only traces the lineage that ended up being the ancestors of Jesus...with few exceptions.

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But as for this book you recommend, how do you know it is factual? Is it based on other history books, or what?


I have been going through and reading it carefully, taking notes and making a list of his resources as noted. While I realize that there will be libraries that I will never get to visit, I need to accept what he says. My salvation does not depend on whether he is 100% accurate. This man spent the better part of 25 years working on it so I am willing to take it with a grain of salt.

It is a scholarly work with ancient writings that survived intact. Some being Roman chronicles. Caesar kept detailed records of his invasions. Some of the other accounts validate or agree with the Romans' and others fail to mention accounts of incidents that Caesar did, like when the Britons gave his troops a fight they hadn't expected. Then there are other chronicles such as from Welsh for example.
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#255494 - 2009-07-12 00:56:30 Re: Post Flood History [Re: ChildofChrist]
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Were not there also the Nephilim on the earth before and after the flood? Tell me, how did they excape the flood?

If Satan was cast to this earth before it was created, how could that be? Or was Satan cast to this earth right after creation of Adam but before Adam sined? How did Adam know about death? Who did Cain Marry?

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#255499 - 2009-07-12 01:57:28 Re: Post Flood History [Re: Dr. Rich]
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Satan was cast from heaven BEFORE the creation of this world. He doubtless spent that time pestering the other worlds, who did not accept his nonsense! That's why he was ready to pounce on this new creation -- his last chance!

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#255506 - 2009-07-12 03:00:53 Re: Post Flood History [Re: Beryl]
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Really? Well I can tell you that I have serious doubts. Why, because Rev. 12, being a snopsis of the history of the Kingdom of Heaven, presents a picture where there was war in heaven (no, not the heavens), and thrown to this earth along with a third of the ALL the angels. Wow, must of been some legal argument Lucifer had before God to cause a third to go along with him!.

Beryl, have you ever read the book of Enoch and his prophecy refered to in Jude 1:14? How about in Job where these demons were called the watchers?

Here is the thing: By reading the Septuagent and studying Zitchen's great study on this issue, it appears that God created mankind (all of the races) and placed His angels to watch and teach them about Him after the first 7 day creation. After this, in Gen. 2:2 and on, we see that 'The Lord God' made 'the man' out of earth and then (yes after The Lord God had made the man), created yet further the animals of the field (the ones that went into the ark).

But then, this is only a theory, much the same as the one you gave. But then, my theory would agree with the the old testament, the words of Jesus, and with science.

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#255544 - 2009-07-12 09:54:07 Re: Post Flood History [Re: Beryl]
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Originally Posted By: Beryl
Satan was cast from heaven BEFORE the creation of this world. He doubtless spent that time pestering the other worlds, who did not accept his nonsense! That's why he was ready to pounce on this new creation -- his last chance!

Beryl


That is true. He was cast out of heaven before the creation of this world - but was specifically removed from his ability to annoy other intelligent life at the cross when he was unmasked as the murderer of Christ.

That is why in Rev 12 you see him "cast down to this world" after Christ is taken to heaven.

in Christ,

Bob
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#255546 - 2009-07-12 09:57:47 Re: Post Flood History [Re: ChildofChrist]
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Originally Posted By: ChildofChrist
Carolaa,,,,

One gets just so much from the Scriptures and the writers are long gone. Sure, could wait to ask my guardian angel but the quesions I have now aren't followed in the Scriptures.

After the tower of Babel, how did the human race spread out. The Book focuses on the line of God's chosen and what was to be the lineage of Jesus.

If you say, if it was important, God would have inspired writers to add to it. Point is, I want to know also, where did this Child come from? What is my line back to Noah? :-)


It is likely that mankind disbursed along the lines of languages created at Babel. Also note that "in the days of Peleg the earth was divided" according to the book of Genesis.

That could be both the division by language and a topographical/geological split of the Continents sometime after Babel.

in Christ,

Bob


Edited by BobRyan (2009-07-12 09:58:45)
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#255548 - 2009-07-12 10:01:33 Re: Post Flood History [Re: Dr. Rich]
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Were not there also the Nephilim on the earth before and after the flood? Tell me, how did they excape the flood?


Eight of them escaped it. Read Genesis 6 through 8.

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If Satan was cast to this earth before it was created, how could that be?


Lost the war in heaven before the earth was created - but was not restricted to earth in any significant way until after the cross as Rev 12 points out.

Adam's children inter-married just as Abraham married his sister and as Jacob married his first cousin. Genetic defects in DNA had not progressed to the point of causing damage at that level during the time of Adam.

So also - Noah's grandchildren - cousins marrying cousins.


in Christ,

Bob


Edited by BobRyan (2009-07-12 10:02:46)
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#255589 - 2009-07-12 14:32:54 Re: Post Flood History [Re: BobRyan]
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Come on Bob, the eight that went into the ark were not the Nephilim. Who were the giants that the spies saw when 12 were sent in to spy? And please provide the right scripture to provide validation to your post. You also said that Satan was cast down before the creation--where do you get that> verify please. Anyone can make a statement, but without verification it will fall just as the house build upon sand will fall.

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#255641 - 2009-07-12 17:16:44 Re: Post Flood History [Re: Dr. Rich]
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Come on Bob, the eight that went into the ark were not the Nephilim.


And I should "believe" that you are the expert that would know that "why"??

Just "because"??

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Who were the giants that the spies saw when 12 were sent in to spy? And please provide the right scripture to provide validation to your post. You also said that Satan was cast down before the creation--where do you get that> verify please. Anyone can make a statement, but without verification it will fall just as the house build upon sand will fall.


Only 8 people left on the planet according to Genesis 6-9 at the end of the flood. (or are those pages also snipped out of your Bible??). The Nephilim of Joshuah's day were descended from those 8. (As we all know).

The issue of Nephilim was "by comparison" to the writers (Moses and Joshuah) and many of their contemporaries - so "by comparison" indeed the people before the flood were all giants. Moses did not say "some of them were Nephelim" in Genesis six -- as you seem to imagine.

We see larger populations of Nephelim the closer you go back in time to the flood event.

The details are a problem for your view, but they support Ellen White's position -- as it turns out. Hmm She is inspired -- you are making bad guesses. Now "who" should we suppose to be the "expert"??

Let each decide for themselves.

in Christ,

Bob


Edited by BobRyan (2009-07-12 17:19:51)
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#255671 - 2009-07-12 19:04:06 Re: Post Flood History [Re: BobRyan]
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Good post Bob, I agree with you.

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