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#241988 - 2009-05-09 18:58:15 Re: Lesson 6 (2nd 09) SIN [Re: Woody]
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And where is that reference where she "is very clear about this matter?"

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#241995 - 2009-05-09 19:23:35 Re: Lesson 6 (2nd 09) SIN [Re: Gerry Cabalo]
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Originally Posted By: Gerry Cabalo
And where is that reference where she "is very clear about this matter?"


" When the Father gave His Son to live and die for man, He placed all the treasures of heaven at our disposal. There is no excuse for sin. God has given us all the advantages He possibly could give, that we may have strength to withstand the temptations of the enemy." TDG 318

"The strongest temptation is no excuse for sin. No matter how severe the pressure brought to bear upon you, sin is your own act."
"In view of the dangers of this time, shall not we, as God's commandment-keeping people, put away from among us all sin, all iniquity, all perverseness?" AH 331

"There is no excuse for sin or for indolence." FW 49

" It is not in the power of all the host of Satan to force the tempted to transgress. There is no excuse for sin." Mar 82

"When the Father gave His Son to live and die for man, He placed all the treasures of heaven at our disposal. There is no excuse for sin. God has given us all the advantages He possibly could give, that we may have strength to withstand the temptations of the enemy. Had man, when tested and tried, followed the example of Christ, he would have given his children and his children's children an example of steadfast purity and righteousness, and the race would not have deteriorated, but improved. . . . " TDG 318

"There is no excuse for sin. It will be the final condemnation of Lucifer and his angels that when God shall ask, "Why have ye done this?" they will be able to assign no reason. And when at the last great day sinners are confronted with their sins, and are asked, "Why did you transgress?" every mouth will be stopped. The sinful will stand speechless before God. " RH, September 24, 1901 par. 3

"Men of high or low degree have no excuse for sin. The light given of Heaven, the power from Jesus Christ, can be obtained by all who ask for it in faith. Under every provocation there is a present help that will never fail. We are to learn to take God at his word, walking by simple faith, continually feeling our own weakness, and trusting in the Mighty One of Israel. " ST, October 7, 1880 par. 12

"There is no excuse for sin, no excuse for the least degree of unfaithfulness." 20MR 385

"When we know God as it is our privilege to know Him, our life will be a life of continual obedience. Through an appreciation of the character of Christ, through communion with God, sin will become hateful to us." --DA, p 668

"So long as we are united to Him by faith, sin has no more dominion over us. God reaches for the hand of faith in us to attain to perfection of character." The Desire of Ages, 123

"We may have flattered ourselves, as did Nicodemus, that our life has been upright, that our moral character is correct, and think that we need not humble the heart before God, like the common sinner: but when the light [His agape love] from Christ shines into our souls, we shall see how impure we are; we shall discern the selfishness of motive, the enmity against God, that has defiled every act of life." SC 28
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#242828 - 2009-05-13 02:37:14 Re: Lesson 6 (2nd 09) SIN [Re: Woody]
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Originally Posted By: Redwood
But there was still no excuse for what he did. He was just not careful enough.


RW,
My grandfather used to say, "there is no such thing as an accident. All that term means is that someone wasn't paying attention."

I don't like the saying, no matter how correct he was in saying it! gah
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#243616 - 2009-05-15 22:42:51 Re: Lesson 6 (2nd 09) SIN [Re: WayneV]
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Soooooooooooo, are you saying all sins are premeditated/deliberate/willful?

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#243622 - 2009-05-15 22:58:32 Re: Lesson 6 (2nd 09) SIN [Re: Woody]
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Just because she says, "there is no excuse for sin", is that tantamount to her saying all sins are willful?
There is nothing in your citations that would lead me to conclude that she is saying that ALL sins are willful.

Notice some of her statements.

During the day's battle Jonathan, who had not heard of the king's command, unwittingly offended by eating a little honey as he passed through a wood. Saul learned of this at evening. He had declared that the violation of his edict should be punished with death; and though Jonathan had not been guilty of a willful sin, though God had miraculously preserved his life and had wrought deliverance through him, the king declared that the sentence must be executed. CC 147.

. Since the laws of nature are the laws of God, it is plainly our duty to give these laws careful study. We should study their requirements in regard to our own bodies, and conform to them. Ignorance in these things is sin.
[WILLFUL IGNORANCE INCREASES SIN--53] {CD 18.2}


Let none deceive themselves with the belief that God will pardon and bless them while they are trampling upon one of His requirements. The willful commission of a known sin silences the witnessing voice of the Spirit, and separates the soul from God. FLB 332

If willful sin separates the soul from God, and if ALL sins are willful, then there is no hope for anyone because as long as we are in this mortal flesh, we will continue to sin, albeit inadvertently which you call deliberate and willful.

During the sojourn in the wilderness the kindling of fires upon the seventh day had been strictly prohibited. The prohibition was not to extend to the land of Canaan, where the severity of the climate would often render fires a necessity; but in the wilderness, fire was not needed for warmth. The act of this man was a willful and deliberate violation of the fourth commandment--a sin, not of thoughtlessness or ignorance, but of presumption. {PP 408.4}

Please pay special attention to the last reference.


Edited by Gerry Cabalo (2009-05-15 23:06:27)

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#243626 - 2009-05-15 23:17:38 Re: Lesson 6 (2nd 09) SIN [Re: Gerry Cabalo]
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Here are additional statements to consider:

Had Moses and Aaron been cherishing self-esteem or indulging a passionate spirit in the face of divine warning and reproof, their guilt would have been far greater. But they were not chargeable with willful or deliberate sin; they had been overcome by a sudden temptation, and their contrition was immediate and heartfelt. The Lord accepted their repentance, though because of the harm their sin might do among the people, He could not remit its punishment. {PP 419.1}

When one errs, others too often feel at liberty to make the case appear as bad as possible. Those who perhaps are guilty of fully as great sins in some other direction, will treat their brother with cruel severity. Errors committed through ignorance, thoughtlessness, or weakness are exaggerated into willful, premeditated sin. RH Nov 30, 1866.

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#243670 - 2009-05-16 07:45:09 Re: Lesson 6 (2nd 09) SIN [Re: Gerry Cabalo]
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Some excellent posts Gerry.

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