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#251037 - 2009-06-19 20:01:20 Re: Which Bible version [Re: todd_vetter]
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You can have as many Bibles as you feel you need to do a credible job of finding truth, all for free. Google E-Sword or for Mac users MacSword. There you will find numerous down-loadable Bibles, Concordances, Strong's Greek and Hebrew lexicon and other source books all for free. I also use an very easy to use interface called Bible Desktop into which you can place all this material and access it in multiple windows so you can do Biblical comparison with ease. Try it, I think you will really like it.

I have included the links:

E-Sword MacSword

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#251039 - 2009-06-19 20:07:38 Re: Which Bible version [Re: John317]
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God said man can only live by Every word that proceeded from the mouth of God. Show me any version of the book titled the bible that contains every word. The gospel found at this link contains more words of NT testimony that Christ spoke. The 4 Roman Gospels in your bible came from this document. Untill you read the document, test it against prophecy you will continue to make a book your shepard.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/gospel%20of%20holy%2012.pdf

Can the cry be any louder to come out of Babylon? or will Christians reject their history because of the traditions of men?

P.S. The holy spirit will be grieved away by our traditions.
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#251040 - 2009-06-19 20:24:15 Re: Which Bible version [Re: todd_vetter]
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Todd,
I have already downloaded this document on my own and am in the process of going through it. It was not a criticism of you for posting it, and I agree that there are a number of documents that didn't make it into the New Testament and others that were included strictly based on a political view point not on a search for truth. God never said we should check our brains at the door in the discovery of Truth and blindly accept a Canon as true simply because we have been told to. I test all prophecy with the 7 rules of prophetic interpretation as found here:
Seven Rules for Prophetic Interpretation

These rules come from Scripture and take personal bias out of the study of prophecy. With these 7 rules anyone can understand prophecy for themselves, and don't need an 'expert' to interpret the prophecies for them.

To understand anything spiritual we must become discerning people, able to tell truth from lies. This is why I rely on the Words of Jesus Christ ONLY as my source for truth.

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#251043 - 2009-06-19 20:32:33 Re: Which Bible version [Re: Musicman1228]
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If you don't except the whole Bible, than how do you know for a fact that the word's of Jesus are correct? You can't just pick and choose!

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#251046 - 2009-06-19 20:36:12 Re: Which Bible version [Re: todd_vetter]
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Are you talking about the underlying Greek printed texts or are you speaking primarily of the translations made from those printed texts?

Can you name any "doctrine" or teaching found in the KJV that is not found, or cannot be taught from, the Critical Text of the NT?

I'm not referring here to the "changes" in some of the verses, but I refer to actual doctrines or teachings.

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#251047 - 2009-06-19 20:40:04 Re: Which Bible version [Re: pkrause]
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To find what is wrong with a counterfeit dollar, one must first study and know the real one. Therefore I urge everyone to first study the words of Jesus given to us by His eyewitnesses first. This would be Matthew, Mark (for Peter's words), John and Revelation. James is interesting, but Jesus' brother was not one of the disciples and John 14:26 and 17:20 do not apply. I also found it interesting that Jesus' own brothers tried to get Him killed at one time. Right?

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#251059 - 2009-06-19 21:18:54 Re: Which Bible version [Re: Dr. Rich]
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The original KJV was translated from the Textus Vaticanus c. 10th - 11th centuries that in turn was copied by a monk named Erasmus, and is, in textual criticism circles, widely held to be inferior to earlier texts. This being said (and look it up for yourselves) this is why it is important to have a wide variety of translations (not transliterations as is the Clear Word) at your fingertips with with to make comparisons. That is why I recommended E-Sword and MacSword.

As to a Doctrine taught in the O.T. version of the KJV as opposed to the Critical text of the N.T. here is just one:

The Doctrine of the immortality of the Soul is very much in the Critical Text that was translated into the N.T. Paul is a great proponent of "Life after Death" with a number of his texts that refer to it. In the O.T. there are any number of passages that prove or at the very least strongly imply that "the dead know not anything". In Luke (Luke writing for Paul) there is the story of the Criminal hanging next to Jesus to which Jesus is purported to have said, "I say to you,(comma here) today you will be with me in paradise." (This is ONLY found in Luke.) The Greek language is anarthoris, that is there are no definite articles such as 'and', 'of', 'but', 'it', etc. There is also NO punctuation. All articles and punctuation are supplied by the translator, whoever that was. Therefore this passage could just as easily have been translated, "I say to you today,(comma here) you will be with me in paradise." The translator of the Textus Vaticanus being a monk in the Catholic church certainly believed that Paul was a valid apostle of Jesus and would have translated that text to reflect Paul's understanding of the immortality of the soul, that is, when you die you go directly to Heaven-do not pass go and collect $200.

This is just one of dozens of 'mis-translations' that are reflected not only in the KJV but is most other translations. Does this mean that it is automatically true? Certainly not, which is why I said we must become discerning people, able to judge what is true and what is not from the totality of what is said in the O.T. and by Jesus Christ said in the N.T.

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#251060 - 2009-06-19 21:26:17 Re: Which Bible version [Re: Musicman1228]
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This is the problem with typed forums. Many take out of context the words written as critisim.

My appoligies for sounding less then humble.
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#251062 - 2009-06-19 21:30:04 Re: Which Bible version [Re: pkrause]
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That is just it.. i have accepted the whole bible where the christian picks and chooses to make their doctrine. Observe carefully any study on the internet today. See if they use every word of bible testimony that applies to the topic of the death and resurrection.

You will find that they take what only suites their preconcieved perception of truth. thus ignoring Jesus testimony and claiming christ as figurative.

You ask a good question out how do you know what is from God and what is not.

Two prophecies for the same event are in your bible and they give a different perception of time. Do you go on the majority of the witness of men who do not speak in one accord in your bible? or do you go on the mulitiple prophetic witnesses which are God's witness of his son?

The choice is your. what defines your perception?
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#251064 - 2009-06-19 21:35:01 Re: Which Bible version [Re: John317]
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Have you not clicked on any of the free information I have shared with you?

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/gospel%20of%20holy%2012.pdf

A full lengh gospel sufaces in history revealing much yet the christian world wants nothing to do with it because it was not a preserved gift from Rome their Mother.

The study at This link validates the credibility of the content since the testimonies of men differ regarding the first link. this study validates credibly that the 4 roman gospels of half truth came from the gospel being shared.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection.pdf

Blessings
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